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All Canadian Team Division

Créé par: JmoneyTalk
Équipe: 2020-21 Équipe personnalisée
Date de création initiale: 9 déc. 2020
Publié: 9 déc. 2020
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How every team did against evey other Canadian team.

First how evey team finished overall from first to last

1.Edmonton (37-25-9) 83p 72gp 2nd pacific Division

2.Toronto (36-25-9) 81p 70gp 3rd Atlantic Division

3.Winnipeg (37-28-6) 80p 71gp 4th Central Division

4.Calgary (36-27-7) 79p 70gp 3rd Pacific Division

5.Vancouver (36-27-6) 78p 69gp 4th Pacific Division

6.Montreal (31-31-9) 71p 71gp 5th Atlantic Division

7.Ottawa (25-34-12) 62p 71gp 7th Atlantic Division

Ottawa surprisingly could of done a lot better if they won half of those overtime games they ended up losing. Other then that it's crazy to see just how close evey Canadian teams was to one another overall.

Here's comparing their records when inky looking at all Canadian games. And comparing goals for and foal against. As well as overtime wins at the end, just to show how easy a team could of been much worse or better.

1.Montreal (9-2-2) 20p 13gp (47-37=+13) 5 OT wins

2.Toronto (7-3-4) 18p 14gp (47-42=+5) 1 OT win

3.Winnipeg (8-2-0) 16p 10gp (39-27=+12) 3 OT wins

4.Calgary (8-4-0) 16p 12gp (42-40=+2) 2 OT wins

5.Edmonton (7-7-2) 16p 16gp (40-51=-11) 0 OT wins

6.Ottawa (4-7-2) 10p 13gp (32-44=-12) 0 OT wins

7.Vancouver (5-10-0) 10p 15 gp (39-53=-14) 1 OT win

Pretty close for a few there. Montreal finishes first in the all Canadian Division even though they were second last when including all games played. However, those 5 OT wins could of changed a lot. Have Ottawa over Vancouver because they have the same points but Vancouver played 2 more games had a slightly larger negative goal differential.

Obviously there has been some significant changes because of free agency and a few trades. Some teams lost more then they gained and other improved significantly. I'll leave that all up for debate.

Things will be different when you are playing the same 6 teams the most, scouting and what not.

How I personally think the standing will look:

1.Toronto
2.Edmonton
3.Montreal
4.Vancouver
5.Winnipeg
6.Ottawa
7.Calgary

Also, I will rank some players here. 3 Forwards, 2 Defenceman and 1 Goalie per team in order overall. Some teams were harder to pick players, I chose players who I think I've seen other fans favour or who I think may have the biggest impact.

Also, lots can be argued, so many good players here and tons to consider. Lots of good players for each team aren't show here either.

*MIGHT BE A HINT OF TROLLING HERE OR THERE.. OR EVERYWHERE*
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JT Miller?
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Barrie 3rd? Chabot 11th? Agreed for the Murray ranking for the 7 G.
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JT Miller?


Considered him, I just think the other edge him out overall. Maybe interchangeable with Brock but I think Brock will have a good season this year. No knocks on JT Miller or anything it took him a number of season to get to the level he's at now. I think Brock has a higher ceiling is all. But yea, could easily swap the two.
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Petry is higher than Weber. Petry is the Habs best D man he has put up 40 points in every one of the last 3 seasons
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Barrie 3rd? Chabot 11th? Agreed for the Murray ranking for the 7 G.


Barrie at 3rd because of his two previous season before last. Almost hit 69, I think he has huge potential to eclipse that on EDM PP or even 5v5 if he's playing with McDavid or Draisaitl. Also I'm an Oilers fan. Chabot could easily move up 5 spots but I think he plays for a weak team and honestly overrated, I know he had 55 points a season ago but regressed a bit after only 1 good season. And has been a minus player. 8 mil is to rich. His stats would be better in a better team but I don't think he will have enough of an impact to make the Sens any better then they were last year. But it's definitely arguable that he is better then 11th.
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Dadonov>>>Galchenyuk
Chabot should be top 5 at LEAST
Obviously you're an Oilers fan but I'd be surprised if Calgary finished lower than 3rd
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Petry is higher than Weber. Petry is the Habs best D man he has put up 40 points in every one of the last 3 seasons


I think if Weber was consistently healthy he would be miles ahead of Petry. I'm assuming if both players stay healthy Weber will be better this season. However, that's just my opinion.
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Barrie at 3rd because of his two previous season before last. Almost hit 69, I think he has huge potential to eclipse that on EDM PP or even 5v5 if he's playing with McDavid or Draisaitl. Also I'm an Oilers fan. Chabot could easily move up 5 spots but I think he plays for a weak team and honestly overrated, I know he had 55 points a season ago but regressed a bit after only 1 good season. And has been a minus player. 8 mil is to rich. His stats would be better in a better team but I don't think he will have enough of an impact to make the Sens any better then they were last year. But it's definitely arguable that he is better then 11th.


Points aren't everything and when you're a dmen, even more. Barrie can't defend at all.
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Dadonov>>>Galchenyuk
Chabot should be top 5 at LEAST
Obviously you're an Oilers fan but I'd be surprised if Calgary finished lower than 3rd


Yea that's my bad, I knew I was going to overlook a player somewhere. Dadanov over Alex for sure. Chabot I disagree. I think hes a bit over rated. I know he's good and on a better team his numbers would be way better. But one 55 point season and then with the regression this past season while being a minus D imo has him out of the top 5. Could definitely move up a few spots but I'm not convinced he's worth his 8 mil contract. Also I am an Oilers fan. I did troll the flames here but i think they got worse overall this year while other teams made improvements, therefore I can't see them as a top 3 lock, I genuinely think there a 4th 5th team if everything works out for everyone but they could get lucky and slip into the top 3.
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Points aren't everything and when you're a dmen, even more. Barrie can't defend at all.


You're right, points don't matter. But Barrie is an offensive defensive man. He excels at what he's good at, I think the type of player he is will have a bigger impact when it comes to winning playing with McDavid and Draisaitl then some other players. Also he was only -7. Can't be that bad.
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With Klefbolm missing a good chunk of the next season or even possibly the entire season I dont know how edmonton is going to do. He was a big part of there defense and sure they brought in Barrie but Barrie is not a defensive minded guy

As for these standings barrie would be below Chabot, Pionk, and Morrisey
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Yea that's my bad, I knew I was going to overlook a player somewhere. Dadanov over Alex for sure. Chabot I disagree. I think hes a bit over rated. I know he's good and on a better team his numbers would be way better. But one 55 point season and then with the regression this past season while being a minus D imo has him out of the top 5. Could definitely move up a few spots but I'm not convinced he's worth his 8 mil contract. Also I am an Oilers fan. I did troll the flames here but i think they got worse overall this year while other teams made improvements, therefore I can't see them as a top 3 lock, I genuinely think there a 4th 5th team if everything works out for everyone but they could get lucky and slip into the top 3.

He still had 39 points (with a career low shooting percentage) on the 2nd worst team in the league. He averages 26 minutes per night (highest in the league), including nearly two full games worth of 5v5 total TOI over 2nd place. Ottawa had a -48 goal differential, so it makes sense most of the team would be minus, particularly the guy playing nearly half the game and taking all the hard matchups, and he still managed to have a positive CF% at 5v5 (something only 5 other Sens with more than 20 games played accomplished, +4 corsi rel, indicating he was one of the team's better players, as expected). If Ottawa was a contender and he actually had skilled offensive guys to pass to, he'd be a consistent 50-60 point D and considered top 10 in the league. When the Sens are good again in 2 or 3 years I'd expect him to be in the running for the Norris for a majority of the following decade. His 8mil contract is a steal.

As for the Flames, how exactly did they get worse? They literally added the 4th best goalie in the league. Brodie to Tanev is a downgrade, and losing Hamonic kind of hurts (but not too much, he wasn't exactly stellar this year), but with Andersson and Hanifin continuing to develop and Valimaki finally being healthy (plus adding Nesterov for depth, who was one of the better D in the KHL this year) I think their D is still pretty solid, and while they didn't make any major changes up front, they added some high potential depth guys in Leivo and Simon, while replacing a PKer with the Nordstrom signing. I'd consider them a net winner this off-season. I also don't think their entire forward corps will have a career worst year again lmao. Comparing that to teams like Vancouver (losing Tanev, Stecher, and Fantenberg for Schmidt is basically moot, lost Toffoli, Leivo, and Markstrom for Holtby, which is probably 30-40 goals just gone, and a significant downgrade in net) or Edmonton (had defensive woes and added Barrie, notably terrible at defense, lost Klefbom for a while, and didn't address goaltending. Definitely better up front with the Turris/Kahun/Puljujarvi adds, but offense was never the struggle) I'd say Calgary was one of the teams that addressed a weakness and improved overall, and it's reasonable to expect the offense to bounce back, it's very unlikely that every single guy stays stagnant now that they've had a down season.
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With Klefbolm missing a good chunk of the next season or even possibly the entire season I dont know how edmonton is going to do. He was a big part of there defense and sure they brought in Barrie but Barrie is not a defensive minded guy

As for these standings barrie would be below Chabot, Pionk, and Morrisey


I think Barrie will actually be better for the Oilers on the back end. Everyone says he horrible defensively but he was only -7. I think Barrie will have more of an impact and be better overall then those other 3. Barrie has had a better career then all 3. I think Chabots over rated.
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I think if Weber was consistently healthy he would be miles ahead of Petry. I'm assuming if both players stay healthy Weber will be better this season. However, that's just my opinion.


No he really isn't Weber is great but Petry is just better offensively, defensively, positionally and usually averages more ice time.
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He still had 39 points (with a career low shooting percentage) on the 2nd worst team in the league. He averages 26 minutes per night (highest in the league), including nearly two full games worth of 5v5 total TOI over 2nd place. Ottawa had a -48 goal differential, so it makes sense most of the team would be minus, particularly the guy playing nearly half the game and taking all the hard matchups, and he still managed to have a positive CF% at 5v5 (something only 5 other Sens with more than 20 games played accomplished, +4 corsi rel, indicating he was one of the team's better players, as expected). If Ottawa was a contender and he actually had skilled offensive guys to pass to, he'd be a consistent 50-60 point D and considered top 10 in the league. When the Sens are good again in 2 or 3 years I'd expect him to be in the running for the Norris for a majority of the following decade. His 8mil contract is a steal.

As for the Flames, how exactly did they get worse? They literally added the 4th best goalie in the league. Brodie to Tanev is a downgrade, and losing Hamonic kind of hurts (but not too much, he wasn't exactly stellar this year), but with Andersson and Hanifin continuing to develop and Valimaki finally being healthy (plus adding Nesterov for depth, who was one of the better D in the KHL this year) I think their D is still pretty solid, and while they didn't make any major changes up front, they added some high potential depth guys in Leivo and Simon, while replacing a PKer with the Nordstrom signing. I'd consider them a net winner this off-season. I also don't think their entire forward corps will have a career worst year again lmao. Comparing that to teams like Vancouver (losing Tanev, Stecher, and Fantenberg for Schmidt is basically moot, lost Toffoli, Leivo, and Markstrom for Holtby, which is probably 30-40 goals just gone, and a significant downgrade in net) or Edmonton (had defensive woes and added Barrie, notably terrible at defense, lost Klefbom for a while, and didn't address goaltending. Definitely better up front with the Turris/Kahun/Puljujarvi adds, but offense was never the struggle) I'd say Calgary was one of the teams that addressed a weakness and improved overall, and it's reasonable to expect the offense to bounce back, it's very unlikely that every single guy stays stagnant now that they've had a down season.


I'm not arguing with any on your stats when it comes to Chabot, I think he is a good D and definitely the best player on Ottawa right now, but that doesn't say much.. Ottawa is a horrible team. I don't think Ottawa will get that much better in the next 2-3 years. I think it will take longer and Chabot will never reach full potential. I don't think he will ever be in contention for the Norris because of it and his 8 mil will always be considered an over pay.

Also, Calgary got worse defensively overall, they signed an other overrated player in Markstrom. 1 maybe 1.5 good seasons at 31 and some how he's one of the best time the league. I don't think he can sustain that, and this season will show it. Either way, he was Vancouver goalie and they weren't stellar during the season. Good playoffs but won't know if the that's a one off until he plays again and can sustain it. People said the Oilers lacked depth and that's why they did so bad in the playoffs, that added significantly to that. Goaltending was an issue for sure, but when the Playoffs were happening it was the depth that was blamed for the poor goaltending. Now all of a sudden no one talks about that. The Oilers had average goaltending last year. Koskinen has improved slightly every year he played, hopefully that tend continues. When it comes to the D, Barrie is not as bad as what has been said. 69 point D man before last season where he had 39 points and only a -7. He's going to help the Oilers score more. And goals win games. They have some D there are ready to step up but those are question marks. That's true was a down year, or it could be something more. Plus even they do bounce back, the Oilers have a number of players that if they were to add 10-20 points to their totals from last year that would completely wash any improvements the flames players may or may not have. I think the Oilers will be better then flames based off the improvements the Oilers have made compared to the one the flames have made.
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Quoting: Campabee
No he really isn't Weber is great but Petry is just better offensively, defensively, positionally and usually averages more ice time.


I feel like that's only because Weber is constantly coming back from injury. I just went back and if you consider the 2 seasons with injury Weber has consistently been better offensively and defensively point total and plus minus shows that. Not looking at the numbers I have a few too many Montreal fans that have expressed how much they have hated Petry over the years and they love Weber and from what I've seen I think Weber is just better overall throughout his entire career. Also, I'm and Oilers fan I wish they kept Petry instead of trading him, even though apparently after a few analysts have looked at it's not as bad what I thought.
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Mike Smith and Miko Koskinen are probably the 11th and 12th best goalies in the Canadian division... That doesn't get you first place...

Hellebuyck
Price
Markstrome
Holtby
Andersen
Murray
Demko
Allen
Rittich
Campbell
Koskinen
Smith
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Mike Smith and Miko Koskinen are probably the 11th and 12th best goalies in the Canadian division... That doesn't get you first place...

Hellebuyck
Price
Markstrome
Holtby
Andersen
Murray
Demko
Allen
Rittich
Campbell
Koskinen
Smith


Wrong. Koskinen numbers were better then half those goalies last season. Smith had better numbers then a few even.. Oilers are better overall then most teams here.
9 déc. 2020 à 23 h 34
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Andersen had 1 rough year this past year, but he's been a top-10 goalie for 3 years with the Leafs before that. Some major recency bias at play if Koskinen is ranked ahead of him, and Holtby has been worse than both of them the last few years.
 
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