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Équipe: 2020-21 Maple Leafs de Toronto

Date de création initiale: 8 déc. 2020

Publié: 9 déc. 2020

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One thing I always wonder is why the Leafs didn't try Kadri at wing after signing Tavares.

If I recall correctly, in 2017/18, the Leafs played Marner down the middle and Kadri on the wing for 40 games. During that stretch Marner scored at a 90 point pace and Kadri scored at a 40 goal pace. If they put him on LW with Tavares and Marner in 2018/19, I think he would've hit career highs again rather than slumping as the 3C which he never seemed to fit.

If the Leafs kept Kadri, I feel they would've resigned Jake Gardiner because they still needed a top 4 defenceman as a result of not getting Barrie. Prioritizing those 2 guys would've left a lack of cap space to lock Marner long term, so he would've had to take a bridge deal worth 8-9 million.

Signatures de joueurs autonomes

CRÉÉ	ANS	CAP HIT
Kadri, Nazem	2	4 500 000 $
Gardiner, Jake	3	4 050 000 $
Cousins, Nick	2	1 500 000 $
Marner, Mitchell	2	8 000 000 $

Rachats de contrats

Mikhail Grabovski: 0 $

Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire

Phil Kessel: 1 200 000 $ (15%)

Repêchage	1e ronde	2e ronde	3e ronde	4e ronde	5e ronde	6e ronde	7e ronde
2021
2022
2023

FORMATION

VUE À LONG TERME

INTÉGRÉ

TEXTE INTÉGRÉ

TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
22	81 500 000 $	81 368 408 $	0 $	0 $	131 592 $

Formation

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Kadri, Nazem 4 500 000 $4 500 000 $	Tavares, John 11 000 000 $11 000 000 $ C, AG NMC UFA - 5	Marner, Mitchell 8 000 000 $8 000 000 $
Hyman, Zach 2 250 000 $2 250 000 $ AD, AG M-NTC UFA - 1	Matthews, Auston 11 640 250 $11 640 250 $ C UFA - 4	Nylander, William 6 962 366 $6 962 366 $ AD UFA - 4
Mikheyev, Ilya 1 645 000 $1 645 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 2	Cousins, Nick 1 500 000 $1 500 000 $	Barabanov, Alexander 925 000 $925 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 1
Robertson, Nicholas 821 667 $821 667 $ AG, AD RFA - 4	Thornton, Joe 700 000 $700 000 $ C, AG NMC UFA - 1	Spezza, Jason 700 000 $700 000 $ C, AD UFA - 1

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Muzzin, Jake 5 625 000 $5 625 000 $ DG NMC UFA - 4	Brodie, TJ 5 000 000 $5 000 000 $ DG/DD NMC UFA - 4	Andersen, Frederik 5 000 000 $5 000 000 $ G M-NTC UFA - 1
Rielly, Morgan 5 000 000 $5 000 000 $ DG M-NTC UFA - 2	Gardiner, Jake 4 050 000 $4 050 000 $	Campbell, Jack 1 650 000 $1 650 000 $ G UFA - 2
Dermott, Travis 874 125 $874 125 $ DG/DD UFA - 1	Lehtonen, Mikko 925 000 $925 000 $ DG UFA - 1

Laissés de côté	Liste des blessés (IR)	Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
Boyd, Travis 700 000 $700 000 $ C, AD UFA - 1		Kerfoot, Alexander 3 500 000 $3 500 000 $ AG, C, AD UFA - 3
Marincin, Martin 700 000 $700 000 $ DG UFA - 1		Marner, Mitchell 10 903 000 $10 903 000 $ AD UFA - 5
		Bogosian, Zach 1 000 000 $1 000 000 $ DD NTC UFA - 1
		Holl, Justin 2 000 000 $2 000 000 $ DD M-NTC UFA - 3
		Simmonds, Wayne 1 500 000 $1 500 000 $ AD, AG NTC UFA - 1
		Engvall, Pierre 1 250 000 $1 250 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 2

Unités spéciales

Avantage numérique 1
Kadri, N.		Tavares, J.		Matthews, A.
	Marner, M.		Rielly, M.

Avantage numérique 2
Nylander, W.		Thornton, J.		Robertson, N.
	Spezza, J.		Gardiner, J.

Infériorité numérique 1
	Cousins, N.	Mikheyev, I.
	Muzzin, J.	Brodie, T.

Infériorité numérique 2
	Mikheyev, I.	Hyman, Z.
	Dermott, T.	Gardiner, J.

9 déc. 2020 à 15 h 54

AnalyticsGeek

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Do you guys think the Leafs should've tried Kadri on the wing?

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9 déc. 2020 à 15 h 55

chungus

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i am very confused

gardiner was a disaster, had back problems, multiple surgeries, ultimately ended up seriously struggling in carolina and is now a borderline cap dump, we should not have kept him ever

I would rather have marner for 6 years at 10.893 than 8m for 2 years

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9 déc. 2020 à 16 h 0

SadSensFan14

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Quoting: MitchMarnerElite

Do you guys think the Leafs should've tried Kadri on the wing?

Ya.

9 déc. 2020 à 16 h 1

imawesome

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So Toronto keeps Kadri, Marner plays better, and marner gets 2.5 less?

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9 déc. 2020 à 16 h 3

vr1995

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Modifié 9 déc. 2020 à 16 h 30

marner did not play center for that long if at all

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9 déc. 2020 à 16 h 7

LeafsFanForSomeReason

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Your recollection is incorrect.

9 déc. 2020 à 16 h 8

Barilko14

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You do not recall correctly. Marner has never had an extended stretch at C in the NHL.

Babcock wanted Kadri as his matchup C. So he was never switching to the W.

Gardiner's time as a Leaf was done before the Kadri trade, the writing was on the wall.

9 déc. 2020 à 16 h 10

JaredOfLondon

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no, they would not have signed Jake Gardiner. if they were going to do that they would have done it anyway. His back was shot and they weren't going to chance it and hey look they were right.

9 déc. 2020 à 16 h 18

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So your saying if they kept Kadri that Marner WOULD take less? Because I still think that he wants and takes 10 mil

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9 déc. 2020 à 16 h 45

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for the last time, stop reducing Marner's contract. get over it pal it's not changing any time soon

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9 déc. 2020 à 16 h 48

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Faulk_my_Dzingel

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But to answer your question I always wanted Kadri on the wing. Also I always wanted Gardiner on the 4th line as a wing if we insisted on playing him.

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9 déc. 2020 à 17 h 13

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Quoting: PrimeDatsyuk

for the last time, stop reducing Marner's contract. get over it pal it's not changing any time soon

You stole the words out of my mouth.

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9 déc. 2020 à 17 h 18

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Quoting: Lyle_Bubas

Quoting: faulkmydzingel

But to answer your question I always wanted Kadri on the wing. Also I always wanted Gardiner on the 4th line as a wing if we insisted on playing him.

I think you guys are being too harsh on Gardiner. Look at his stats from 2016-2019. He ranked near the top of the league in offence generated & during his last 2 seasons here was an above average defender. Though the sample size isn’t large, he did great alongside Rielly.

https://public.tableau.com/profile/hbanalytics#!/vizhome/NHLHistoricalPlayerCards2007-19/PlayerCards

9 déc. 2020 à 17 h 28

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Quoting: vr1995

marner did not play center for that long if at all

Quoting: LeafsFanForSomeReason

Your recollection is incorrect.

Quoting: Barilko14

Maybe I recalled wrong, but from what I saw, Kadri would take the face offs and they would switch positions during open play. Kadri engaged in the dirty area battles whereas Marner provided support and carried the puck from the middle of the ice.

9 déc. 2020 à 17 h 30

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Quoting: Pond_Duck

So your saying if they kept Kadri that Marner WOULD take less? Because I still think that he wants and takes 10 mil

Quoting: imawesome

So Toronto keeps Kadri, Marner plays better, and marner gets 2.5 less?

I think if the Leafs made keeping Kadri and Gardiner the priority over Marner, he wouldn’t have gotten as much money as he did.

9 déc. 2020 à 17 h 34

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Barilko14

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Quoting: MitchMarnerElite

Whoever has responsibility for the opposing C in the defensive zone is the C. They could have flipped around in transition or the o-zone a bit, it doesn't mean Marner was the C.

Kadri was never hanging around the right side in Dzone chipping pucks out.

9 déc. 2020 à 17 h 36

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Barilko14

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Quoting: MitchMarnerElite

I think if the Leafs made keeping Kadri and Gardiner the priority over Marner, he wouldn’t have gotten as much money as he did.

They obviously would not have prioritized Gardiner over Marner. Do you not remember the end of that season? Everyone knew (media, fans, etc.) that Gardiner was gone.

Aging Gardiner was not a good fit anymore for the $$ he was going to make.

Just like JVR and Bozak were not staying even if we didn't sign Tavares considering they were playing lowest min of their career in a sheltered role.

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9 déc. 2020 à 17 h 52

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Quoting: Barilko14

Yeah Marner was the C in the offensive zone.

Quoting: Barilko14

I mean, considering he only got 4 Million, I don’t think it’s all that bad. His overall on ice impacts for Toronto were pretty good even though he played with the anchor Zaitsev.

9 déc. 2020 à 18 h 14

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Barilko14

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Quoting: MitchMarnerElite

Yeah Marner was the C in the offensive zone.

I mean, considering he only got 4 Million, I don’t think it’s all that bad. His overall on ice impacts for Toronto were pretty good even though he played with the anchor Zaitsev.

He was a good player, but obviously didn't make sense to commit to him long term.

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9 déc. 2020 à 20 h 0

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Quoting: MitchMarnerElite

He only ended up getting 4, but it was projected throughout that season that he was to make quite a bit more than that. Either way, he was vilified in Toronto by fans and media and probably didn’t want to stay regardless.

9 déc. 2020 à 20 h 34

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STAAAAAHP.

10 déc. 2020 à 0 h 55

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No interest in bringing back Gardiner. Playoff choker and turnover machine

10 déc. 2020 à 12 h 29

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MapleLeafsfan2003

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not a good idea

10 déc. 2020 à 12 h 45

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Quoting: Barilko14

He was a good player, but obviously didn't make sense to commit to him long term.

Quoting: DartGuy86

Quoting: TheresAlwaysNextYear

No interest in bringing back Gardiner. Playoff choker and turnover machine

That's true. I just think it would've been interesting to see what Gardiner could do away from Zaitsev.

10 déc. 2020 à 12 h 46

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Quoting: PrimeDatsyuk

for the last time, stop reducing Marner's contract. get over it pal it's not changing any time soon

Quoting: Saskleaf

You stole the words out of my mouth.

I had to reduce it to fit in both Kadri and Gardiner. It's a hindsight team, nothing serious.

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