Here we go again *rolls eyes*

I'm not a Hoffman fan at all, so I think this is much worse.

As a Leafs fan I don't believe that the cap crunch has anything to do with any of the big 4. The contracts only look as troubling as they do because of the flat cap which nobody could have predicted. With Seattle expansion coming and additional league revenues, all of those contracts would look somewhat better than they do now. As someone who struggled cheering for the team through the Jason Blake days, I'm content with having superstars on the team and exciting hockey to watch. Who knows where the young kids development would be without Tavares leadership. I think he's worth every penny.

And, to be completely honest... I think a lot of Leaf fans understand the situation a great deal better than you based on the scheme you've cooked up here.

The cap trouble they are in is related to a global pandemic. The same thing happening to 10-15 other teams in the league.

What does that trade have to do with anything?

When you have a chance to sign a John Tavares type of player, hometown boy and leadership presence for the young guns, you do it.

When sign, I don't remember any hockey insider saying the Leafs shouldn't have done that.

This is pretty rough all the way around.

People who think the leafs are in cap trouble are being pessimistic for the sake of it. The lightning, isles, caps, etc are in a worse position.

But as for your trade, if the leafs could (they can't because of Tavares' NMC) they would. Even Zibanejad strait up for Tavares is a win for the leafs (cap reasons).

Also, if you think the entirety of leafs fans like Tavares on the leafs, you are wrong. Many of them think we shouldn't have signed him, an irrational argument.

This again?

This is exhausting. Tavares and his cap hit, are more than welcome in Toronto. Your trade proposal shows how much you understand.

hoffmann is overrated and his gf is a psyhcopath that borke up a team, not signing tavares is different from having zibinajed miller and high picks instead of tavares, that being said if tavares was willing to meet with every team then every team would have met with him, end of story, any leaf fan that says they didnt like the signing from the beginning is an outright liar and was jumping for joy that day

When did Hall become a 200 foot player?

When did Hall become a 200 foot player?

https://public.tableau.com/profile/hbanalytics#!/vizhome/NHLHistoricalPlayerCards2007-19/PlayerCards

Check Hall’s player cards from 2015-2019. He ranked in the top 30-40% of the league in preventing shot attempts & chances. Ranked in the top 5% in individual scoring chances generated. Considering he played on a terrible Devils team with Zajac as his C, he was unbelievable.

All great points. Honestly I will never understand the the people who insist that the Leafs should’ve used the cap space to sign depth pieces instead of Tavares. You never bring in depth players at the expense of a franchise center. Depth players come and go but players of Tavares’ caliber are extremely rare.

Why does everyone who trades Marner or Tavares for cap space insist on the Leafs signing Hoffman? The guy is a one dimensional player who only scores on the PP. If anything, the Leafs will wait a year & sign Taylor Hall who is miles better.

No, Duck Pond, I don't think you understand. Paying Tavares 11m....and getting him for free wasn't a mistake. It was overpaying the three RFAs a total of 4.5m which was the mistake. Leafs had control over those players and had no reason to pay them "hometown premium".
Don't know why you say Tavares is a second line centre. The use of both the top lines and PP usage, makes Tavares and Matthews equal centres.
Seems like most teams, most good teams and even some bad teams are having cap problems. The NHL announced that expected cap for 2020/21 was to be about 86m. Covid has changed some many issues with virtually all teams.
By the way, the trade you propose is rather unpractical. Rangers have big cap issues also and couldn't handle a rise a 5.5m cap hit either.
The Ducks shouldn't telling Leafs how to spend their cap. 8.25m Getzalk a 50 point guy on a 82 game schedule and a buyout of Perry of 6.6m. That's 15m in wasted cap.

I agree with everything you said here, but please don't group this guy with the rest of us Ducks fans...his profile says he's an Avs/Bolts fan...Ducks fans are out here saying "Tavares signing was smart", not wasting our breath trying to troll Leafs fans with crap that your own fan base posts here 10 times a day.

No offence, but Mika isn’t anywhere near Tavares‘ level as a player. Only decency bias will favour Mika because of Tavares’ down year but Tavares averaged 35 goals and 78 points every 82 games for the Islanders. Considering he played with weak linemates like Moulson & Okposo, that is extremely impressive. Zibanejad hasn’t played with elite wingers either but his career average is 60 points per 82 games. Tell me who’s better?

Read the description, its not about the trade value

Sorry I don't understand that logic. Leafs had cap space and more to sign Tavares. Wasting 4.5m unnecessarily on the RFAs was the mistake.

I wouldn't go as far to say Mika is a better player than Tavares right now, but it is much closer than you think. Career points/season isn't as impressive to me because Zibanejad is just entering his prime. this season Mika had 41/34/75 in 57 games. Tavares's best year (2018/19) was 47/41/88 in 82 games. Again, I still wouldn't say Mika is definitely better right now, but it's a lot closer than you guys are making it seem. Mika is definitely not a 2C player. He can play 2C on a stacked team, but he is a top line center for sure. Mika went from 74 points in 82 games two years ago to 75 points in 57 games last year. That "averaging 60 points in 82 games" is kinda a bogus stat. Yea he might not be a top 10 pick that comes into the league on fire, but he is growing into an elite center

I want you to reread my post

“You guys don’t understand, let me just take Tavares out and swap him with one of the best centres in the league who’s on a sweetheart deal”

This doesn’t look good when you consider the options available. Again, if you look at the options available, having Tavares makes all the sense in the world. Kadri just wasn’t cutting it for TO, and if Dubas passed on Tavares and kept Kadri we’d all be rioting. But hindsight is everyone’s best friend now that a global pandemic has made everything tight

again, my gripe isn't with the trade value, it's valuing Zibanejad as a 2C to play under Matthews. he says get a 2C like Kadri and then puts in Zibanejad. trade value aside, he's not

Well....damn

pretty delusional to think an NHL GM makes his decisions based on a fanbase...

I think you're semi-right, but how many coaches/players have been fired/released based on outside pressure? I'd also say, if there's one management group that would be somewhat affected by pressure from the media/fanbase, it's definitely the Leafs.

There's really no good argument for anyone to say "Tavares was a bad signing".

-Kadri was going to be moved. Everyone can sit here with a happy pop in their hands and say "Man, Kadri was really good, trading him was dumb", but the second consecutive suspension in the playoffs (plus the "just fair" offensive season that he was coming off of) had media and a large portion of the fan base looking to push him out.
-No one could have predicted that Pietro was going to be a UFA. The Blues had plenty of cap space left until Doug Armstrong went out and (foolishly) traded for Justin Faulk.
-What other "Depth signings" would have made this team better? A team full of Alex Kerfoot's? Their biggest need has been a top pairing RD...They went out and got one in Brodie.

just because they had cap space doesn't mean they should have signed him.
too many cooks in the kitchen, not enough servers.

logic behind my statement is that just because a team can sign someone doesn't mean they should. imagine having $11M in cap space right now, with that cap space and assets, the Leaf's blueline would be a lot more attractive than it is. not signing JT would have allowed the team to build a contender long term, not just a regular season powerhouse.

but seeing how much TML fans cream themselves over having him, logic will never prevail.

There's really no good argument for anyone to say "Tavares was a bad signing".

-Kadri was going to be moved. Everyone can sit here with a happy pop in their hands and say "Man, Kadri was really good, trading him was dumb", but the second consecutive suspension in the playoffs (plus the "just fair" offensive season that he was coming off of) had media and a large portion of the fan base looking to push him out.
-No one could have predicted that Pietro was going to be a UFA. The Blues had plenty of cap space left until Doug Armstrong went out and (foolishly) traded for Justin Faulk.
-What other "Depth signings" would have made this team better? A team full of Alex Kerfoot's? Their biggest need has been a top pairing RD...They went out and got one in Brodie.

No, Duck Pond, I don't think you understand. Paying Tavares 11m....and getting him for free wasn't a mistake. It was overpaying the three RFAs a total of 4.5m which was the mistake. Leafs had control over those players and had no reason to pay them "hometown premium".
Don't know why you say Tavares is a second line centre. The use of both the top lines and PP usage, makes Tavares and Matthews equal centres.
Seems like most teams, most good teams and even some bad teams are having cap problems. The NHL announced that expected cap for 2020/21 was to be about 86m. Covid has changed some many issues with virtually all teams.
By the way, the trade you propose is rather unpractical. Rangers have big cap issues also and couldn't handle a rise a 5.5m cap hit either.
The Ducks shouldn't telling Leafs how to spend their cap. 8.25m Getzalk a 50 point guy on a 82 game schedule and a buyout of Perry of 6.6m. That's 15m in wasted cap.

100% accurate. I will add what I said in my post above. Leafs would have re signed jvr and bozak, two cap dumps at the moment. Even if they had money for petro 9-10m (taxes) for a 31 year old petro for 7 more years? Yikes.

Signing players is a mistake because you could take that money and sign players???? Hmmm

I’m fine with the defence the leafs have now. 9 nhl ready Dmen battling for 6 spots. Top 4 of Rielly, Brodie,muzzin,Holl. Much better than signing a 31 year old petro for another 7 years at 9-10m.Not that it matters, the leafs wouldn’t have 11m right now they would have jvr and bozak. Two players considered cap dumps at the moment.