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Can we make Pacioretty work

Créé par: Canadianape
Équipe: 2020-21 Flames de Calgary
Date de création initiale: 8 déc. 2020
Publié: 8 déc. 2020
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pretty sure this team might actually be worse but it was worth a looks
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i know trade might be a little weak but vegas is shopping him to become cap compliant
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8 déc. 2020 à 20 h 9
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Bruins decline.
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Bruins decline.


no they dont. that's an underpayment for hanifin
8 déc. 2020 à 20 h 14
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no they dont. that's an underpayment for hanifin


Hahahahahaha

That's an overpay for a 2nd pair D.
8 déc. 2020 à 20 h 16
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Hahahahahaha

That's an overpay for a 2nd pair D.


pretty strong words form a team that no longer has a top pairing defenseman
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8 déc. 2020 à 20 h 20
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If Max pacioretty is on the trade block, there would be so many better trades than that. We don't have a chance to get Pacioretty, unless we trade Lindholm for Pacioretty, which we wont. Also, we don't need him that much, because we already have a great leader in Giordano and his cap hit is very high.
8 déc. 2020 à 20 h 23
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If Max pacioretty is on the trade block, there would be so many better trades than that. We don't have a chance to get Pacioretty, unless we trade Lindholm for Pacioretty, which we wont. Also, we don't need him that much, because we already have a great leader in Giordano and his cap hit is very high.


your right and its likely another team will have a better offer but this team would benefit greatly from having a leader who puts up a point per gameon the offensive lines. Gio is an amazing leader but he hasnt been able to inspire in the past so imo they need some help in that area
8 déc. 2020 à 20 h 24
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pretty strong words form a team that no longer has a top pairing defenseman


from* and Bruins have McAvoy who's better than any Flame. Left side, they're fine with Grzelcyk since he has done well with McAvoy. Could only need a top4 LD for the second pair but right now, it's not a must.

Even if you a hole in your lineup, it's not a reason to overpay.

Last thing, unlikely but if CGY would make this deal with Vegas first, they would be over the cap and the teams wouldn't help you getting to the cap so you might as well get a slight underpay for someone you want to move.
8 déc. 2020 à 20 h 24
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Quoting: Canadianape
no they dont. that's an underpayment for hanifin


It’s an overpay and puts them over the cap
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@bhavikp27 Cut the man some slack. Bennett is known to be an excellent playoff preformer, which vegas needs. As well the price for Hanifin is honestly just fine. Hanifin is only 23 and has a lot of upside as a former 5th overall pick.
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8 déc. 2020 à 20 h 28
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your right and its likely another team will have a better offer but this team would benefit greatly from having a leader who puts up a point per gameon the offensive lines. Gio is an amazing leader but he hasnt been able to inspire in the past so imo they need some help in that area


yes, I agree. However, I believe we can get a better deal in next year's offseason and also avoid the Kraken's expansion. Like going for Tatar, Landeskog or even bring Hamilton back again. With 15 million dollars in cap, we can do a lot in the offseason.
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@bhavikp27 Cut the man some slack. Bennett is known to be an excellent playoff preformer, which vegas needs. As well the price for Hanifin is honestly just fine. Hanifin is only 23 and has a lot of upside as a former 5th overall pick.


Cool story but that's still too much. Right now, I would give you a late 1st, then if I think he has that much upside, max another 3rd but not a 1st, 2nd and 3rd. He's been in the NHL for five years, it's starting to be long for a top5 pick. I don't give that much for him.
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@bhavikp27 Cut the man some slack. Bennett is known to be an excellent playoff preformer, which vegas needs. As well the price for Hanifin is honestly just fine. Hanifin is only 23 and has a lot of upside as a former 5th overall pick.


i know right,

All this Armchair GM has proven to me is Bruins fans clearly don't have a clue as to player value.
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It’s an overpay and puts them over the cap


if you put kevan miller on LTIR then its fits into the cap
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i know right,

All this Armchair GM has proven to me is Bruins fans clearly don't have a clue as to player value.


Explain me how he has this value. Go ahead.
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from* and Bruins have McAvoy who's better than any Flame. Left side, they're fine with Grzelcyk since he has done well with McAvoy. Could only need a top4 LD for the second pair but right now, it's not a must.

Even if you a hole in your lineup, it's not a reason to overpay.

Last thing, unlikely but if CGY would make this deal with Vegas first, they would be over the cap and the teams wouldn't help you getting to the cap so you might as well get a slight underpay for someone you want to move.


I believe personally Gio is still better than MacAvoy, right now yes but later no. Also, I think hanifin for that much is fine, 23 and growing and his contract is a steal. As long as u don't see a production drop, u will have solidified ur top 4, maybe if hanifin grows even more, he might be in the top 2. Then u would think this trade is worth it.
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I believe personally Gio is still better than MacAvoy, right now yes but later no. Also, I think hanifin for that much is fine, 23 and growing and his contract is a steal. As long as u don't see a production drop, u will have solidified ur top 4, maybe if hanifin grows even more, he might be in the top 2. Then u would think this trade is worth it.


Agree to disagree. At the current moment, he's a 2nd pair D and I'm trading for his current value. As I previously said, the Bruins don't " need " him and they could find other options on the market.
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Agree to disagree. At the current moment, he's a 2nd pair D and I'm trading for his current value. As I previously said, the Bruins don't " need " him and they could find other options on the market.


like what? I don't see OEL waving and Idk other ones.
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Explain me how he has this value. Go ahead.


Hanifin's +/- ranking is higher than guys like Thomas Chabot, Drew Doughty, Erik Karlsson and Oskar Klefbom
8 déc. 2020 à 20 h 39
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Pacioretty has a NTC, he might not have any interest playing for a Canadian market again.
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like what? I don't see OEL waving and Idk other ones.


I don't want OEL at all and he isn't moving.
We'll see at training camp, there's always more action at that time. Right now, the Bruins will likely want to go with the internal options, at least see what they got in them and give them an opportunity. Maybe they don't work out and we need a move asap, maybe they start the season with them and then acquire a dman mid-season or at the trade deadline.

You try to avoid overpaying like here, it's really the last option.
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Tkachuk and Monahan should not be on the same line
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I don't want OEL at all and he isn't moving.
We'll see at training camp, there's always more action at that time. Right now, the Bruins will likely want to go with the internal options, at least see what they got in them and give them an opportunity. Maybe they don't work out and we need a move asap, maybe they start the season with them and then acquire a dman mid-season or at the trade deadline.

You try to avoid overpaying like here, it's really the last option.


That opinion I agree about, what do u think they would target if it doesn't pan out?
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Tkachuk and Monahan should not be on the same line


Yeah the first line is messed up but we don't need to focus on that.
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if you put kevan miller on LTIR then its fits into the cap


He’s healthy
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Explain me how he has this value. Go ahead.


The guy is a 30 point defenseman and hes played in a 2nd pairing role his whole career.
He is being groomed to be the defenseman that runs the powerplay.
Hes not the best defensive defenseman in the league but hes still above average in that category
hes locked up at an incredibly cheap rate for the next 4 seasons
hes played almost 400 games and hes only 23. hes at least 4 years from his peak and hes already that good.

now lets talk about why Boston would want him
Hes a boston Native
Boston is very weak on the left side. Hanifin easily takes top spot on that roster giving him the opportunity to play top line minutes and improve on all of the things I said above
Grezelcyk is good but hes definitely not even close to top pairing material
in this trade you are giving up futures for a team that is in win now mode. not losing any nhl assets. previous rumors had both carlo and debrusk coming back to Calgary for hanifin +
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