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Bad contract swap

Créé par: deys3232
Date de création initiale: déc 7, 2020
Publié: 7 déc 2020 à 13 h 17
Équipe: 2020-21 Avalanche du Colorado
Explications
Lucic comes in as a mentor for the young-ish team. Good veteran to have in the playoffs. Not awful for 4.3 million

Johnson is holding up a spot for Timmins, and soon Byram. Trading him opens up a spot on the right side.

Rutta can be replaced by any league min defenseman
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
UFAANSCAP HIT
Rutta, Jan1900 000 $
Transactions
COL
  1. Lucic, Milan (925 000 $ retained)
  2. 2021 2e round pick (CGY)
CGY
  1. Johnson, Erik
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
  • Ian Cole: 800 000 $ (19%)
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
2021
COL
CGY
COL
COL
COL
COL
2022
COL
COL
COL
COL
COL
COL
2023
COL
COL
COL
COL
COL
COL
COL
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2281 500 000 $79 826 387 $0 $2 500 000 $1 673 613 $

Formation

Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
COL
Landeskog, Gabriel
5 571 429 $
AG, C
NTC
UFA - 1
COL
MacKinnon, Nathan
6 300 000 $
C, AD
NTC
UFA - 3
COL
Rantanen, Mikko
9 250 000 $
AD
UFA - 5
COL
Burakovsky, André
4 900 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 2
COL
Kadri, Nazem
4 500 000 $
C
NTC
UFA - 2
COL
Saad, Brandon
5 000 000 $
AD, AG
NTC
UFA - 1
COL
Nichushkin, Valeri
2 500 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 2
COL
Compher, J.T.
3 500 000 $
AD, C
UFA - 3
COL
Donskoi, Joonas
3 900 000 $
AD
UFA - 3
CGY
Lucic, Milan
4 325 000 $
AG
NMC
UFA - 3
COL
Jost, Tyson
874 125 $
C, AG, AD
RFA - 1
COL
Bellemare, Pierre-Édouard
1 800 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
COL
Graves, Ryan
3 166 667 $
DG
UFA - 3
COL
Makar, Cale
880 833 $
DD
RFA - 1
COL
Grubauer, Philipp
3 333 333 $
G
UFA - 1
COL
Toews, Devon
4 100 000 $
DG
UFA - 4
COL
Cole, Ian
3 450 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 1
COL
Francouz, Pavel
2 000 000 $
G
UFA - 2
COL
Girard, Samuel
5 000 000 $
DG
UFA - 7
COL
Timmins, Conor
925 000 $
DD
RFA - 1
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
COL
Calvert, Matt
2 850 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
Rutta, Jan
900 000 $
DD
UFA - 2

Unités spéciales

Avantage numérique 1
Landeskog, G.
MacKinnon, N.
Rantanen, M.
Kadri, N.
Makar, C.
Avantage numérique 2
Burakovsky, A.
Jost, T.
Saad, B.
Toews, D.
Lucic, M.
Infériorité numérique 1
Nichushkin, V.
Landeskog, G.
Graves, R.
Cole, I.
Infériorité numérique 2
Compher, J.
Bellemare, P.
Girard, S.
Timmins, C.

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7 déc 2020 à 13 h 28
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Johnson's isn't awful. Maybe a 1,25 mil overpay but Lucic's overpaid by like 4 mil so COL rejects this
7 déc 2020 à 13 h 33
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Quoting: KakkoForMauriceRichardAward
Johnson's isn't awful. Maybe a 1,25 mil overpay but Lucic's overpaid by like 4 mil so COL rejects this


Lucic isnt overpaid by 4. Id rather have Lucic for 4.3 than Johnson at 6 whos clogging up a roster spot for 2 young defense prospects
7 déc 2020 à 13 h 34
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Quoting: deys3232
Lucic isnt overpaid by 4. Id rather have Lucic for 4.3 than Johnson at 6 whos clogging up a roster spot for 2 young defense prospects


Cole does that more than Johnson
7 déc 2020 à 13 h 42
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Quoting: EsoYeezus69
Cole does that more than Johnson


Yeah but Cole isnt making 6 million
7 déc 2020 à 13 h 47
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Quoting: deys3232
Yeah but Cole isnt making 6 million


But he is WAY worse than Johnson, the comparison of money per value favours Johnson, but if you want to save money than go with Cole
7 déc 2020 à 13 h 51
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Quoting: EsoYeezus69
But he is WAY worse than Johnson, the comparison of money per value favours Johnson, but if you want to save money than go with Cole


Cole is also only under contract for 1 more year. Johnson has 3 more years. He will be gone next year anyways

Then the blueline will look something like this

Toews-Makar
Girard-Timmins
Graves-Byram
Barron?
7 déc 2020 à 13 h 53
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Quoting: deys3232
Cole is also only under contract for 1 more year. Johnson has 3 more years. He will be gone next year anyways

Then the blueline will look something like this

Toews-Makar
Girard-Timmins
Graves-Byram
Barron?


If it's next year don't forget one of them is getting picked by Seattle
7 déc 2020 à 13 h 54
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The 2nd rounder doesn't do it for me. Johnson has been a huge leader on this team for the better part of this past decade, which I think is a pretty irreplaceable intangible. He is still decently defensively sound in a Top 4 role. He does have injury issues but that kinda does help present just the right amount of opportunity for up-and-comers.

I like his contract on the books as a placeholder for the MacKinnon raise. Most of that cap space will go to MacKinnon at the end of his contract haha.

I don't think this trade makes the Avs better and I don't think Johnson deserves to play on the Flames bottom 6 pairing nor should he push either one of Tanev or Andersson down to that spot.
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7 déc 2020 à 13 h 55
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Quoting: EsoYeezus69
If it's next year don't forget one of them is getting picked by Seattle


I would assume that its either Girard or Graves. Whichever one they dont value more. Timmins and Byram will have automatic protection. I would assume that they protect Makar, Toews and one of Girard or Graves
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7 déc 2020 à 13 h 55
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Quoting: EsoYeezus69
If it's next year don't forget one of them is getting picked by Seattle


Hearing Graves is the front runner to go to Seattle. But they can only protect two of Girard, Makar and Toews with Johnson's NMC.
7 déc 2020 à 13 h 58
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Quoting: BlastnyFromThePastny
Hearing Graves is the front runner to go to Seattle. But they can only protect two of Girard, Makar and Toews with Johnson's NMC.


They either trade him or make him waive
7 déc 2020 à 14 h 14
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Lucic is the exact opposite of what Colorado is building/has built, whereas Johnson fits in well. I'd rather pay EJ more than he's worth than do the same for Lucic.

Imo, Johnson isn't blocking anyone, as Cole won't be re-signed and Graves likely ends up elsewhere next season. Also, Barron and Helleson are still a couple years away.

Keep in mind Lucic arguably also blocks good prospects like Newhook, Bowers, and Kaut.
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7 déc 2020 à 14 h 35
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You don't need to take back Lucic to dump Johnson. You could simply retain a little on Johnson and move him out. As someone who is a Oilers and Flames fan (yes we exist), I wouldn't want that contract even at 50% retained. He slows down whatever line you play him on, he isn't the team glue or leader people once thought he was, and his contract structure is the absolute worst (NMC and designed to be buyout proof). Trust me, you don't want lucic at anything over 1.5 million. I'd honestly rather have Matt Martin on my team at this point
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7 déc 2020 à 15 h 06
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Quoting: mk458
You don't need to take back Lucic to dump Johnson. You could simply retain a little on Johnson and move him out. As someone who is a Oilers and Flames fan (yes we exist), I wouldn't want that contract even at 50% retained. He slows down whatever line you play him on, he isn't the team glue or leader people once thought he was, and his contract structure is the absolute worst (NMC and designed to be buyout proof). Trust me, you don't want lucic at anything over 1.5 million. I'd honestly rather have Matt Martin on my team at this point


I agree, Calvert plays bigger than his size and can skate, Bellemare plays physical and can skate and Nichushkin is adding some physicality to his game, can skate and still has some stick skill. So I don't see what roster spot you give Lucic that makes the Avs better. I am happy keeping EJ.
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7 déc 2020 à 16 h 29
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Quoting: deys3232
I would assume that its either Girard or Graves. Whichever one they dont value more. Timmins and Byram will have automatic protection. I would assume that they protect Makar, Toews and one of Girard or Graves


This just shows how little you this team. Girard is a lock to be protected even if EJ didn’t waive his NMC.

Lucic is very possibly the worst possible fit on an Avs team predicated on skating and transition in the NHL. I wouldn’t take Lucic or his contract for EJ under any conditions
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7 déc 2020 à 16 h 32
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This just shows how little you this team. Girard is a lock to be protected even if EJ didn’t waive his NMC.

Lucic is very possibly the worst possible fit on an Avs team predicated on skating and transition in the NHL. I wouldn’t take Lucic or his contract for EJ under any conditions


How would Girard be protected?

Makar and Toews are way better. And Johnson not waiving would leave Girard as the odd man out
7 déc 2020 à 16 h 48
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How would Girard be protected?

Makar and Toews are way better. And Johnson not waiving would leave Girard as the odd man out

Makar gets protected. How do you figure Toews is better than Girard. Sakic sure doesn’t think so because he gave Girard a 7 yr $5M contract. You are utterly high if you think Girard isn’t protected. Regardless of your sobriety EJ waives and both get protected
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7 déc 2020 à 18 h 27
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Makar gets protected. How do you figure Toews is better than Girard. Sakic sure doesn’t think so because he gave Girard a 7 yr $5M contract. You are utterly high if you think Girard isn’t protected. Regardless of your sobriety EJ waives and both get protected


Because Toews has been better than Girard ever since both their careers started... Toews was the best defenseman on the Islanders last year. Girard is an amazing puckmover and passer, but hes no Devon Toews whos a top 30 defenseman in the league
7 déc 2020 à 18 h 46
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Another trade where Burnaby Joe laughs and hangs up! Truly shocking.
7 déc 2020 à 18 h 51
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Because Toews has been better than Girard ever since both their careers started... Toews was the best defenseman on the Islanders last year. Girard is an amazing puckmover and passer, but hes no Devon Toews whos a top 30 defenseman in the league


I see where you're coming from, but Girard is 4 years younger and contract for 3 years longer. I just can't see them protecting Toews over Girard unless he seriously outplays him this year. I guess we'll have to wait and see
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7 déc 2020 à 20 h 18
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Because Toews has been better than Girard ever since both their careers started... Toews was the best defenseman on the Islanders last year. Girard is an amazing puckmover and passer, but hes no Devon Toews whos a top 30 defenseman in the league


And if that was actually the case the best GM in the league wouldn’t have give a contract for less money and term than Girard. On top of that Girard is 4 yrs younger but has played 105 more games, had more pts last year better shot share playing in a less conservative system. Sorry my friend but you are wrong.
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Quoting: Xqb15a
And if that was actually the case the best GM in the league wouldn’t have give a contract for less money and term than Girard. On top of that Girard is 4 yrs younger but has played 105 more games, had more pts last year better shot share playing in a less conservative system. Sorry my friend but you are wrong.


1 Toews got a bridge deal
2 Points and "shot shares" mean nothing

Last year, Toews had a better xWAR, OFF, xOFF, xDEF, GF/60, xGF/60, CF/60, xGA/60 CA/60 and ixG

Its not really close. Toews leads him in pretty much every stat. Girard is still a good player, just not better than Toews
8 déc 2020 à 9 h 26
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1 Toews got a bridge deal
2 Points and "shot shares" mean nothing

Last year, Toews had a better xWAR, OFF, xOFF, xDEF, GF/60, xGF/60, CF/60, xGA/60 CA/60 and ixG

Its not really close. Toews leads him in pretty much every stat. Girard is still a good player, just not better than Toews


A 4 yr deal isn’t a bridge deal for a a soon to be 27 yr old. That’s just ridiculous, as ridiculous as your assertion that Sakic would protect Toews over Girard. It’s not really close? Go ahead then show the comparisons. Then also get around to explaining why a 5 yr younger player got a longer term higher dollar amount wouldn’t be protected by the same GM who not only gave both of them their contracts but acquired both. Bro you made a bad point own it and move on, because it is all academic because they are both going to be protected.
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8 déc 2020 à 10 h 59
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Quoting: Xqb15a
A 4 yr deal isn’t a bridge deal for a a soon to be 27 yr old. That’s just ridiculous, as ridiculous as your assertion that Sakic would protect Toews over Girard. It’s not really close? Go ahead then show the comparisons. Then also get around to explaining why a 5 yr younger player got a longer term higher dollar amount wouldn’t be protected by the same GM who not only gave both of them their contracts but acquired both. Bro you made a bad point own it and move on, because it is all academic because they are both going to be protected.


Sorry, I think I confused his contract with someone else's. But my point still stand. Toews is better than Girard .But yeah both should be protected as long as Johnson waives the NMC. Otherwise I can see Girard becoming Seattle's Shea Theodore
8 déc 2020 à 11 h 44
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Quoting: deys3232
Sorry, I think I confused his contract with someone else's. But my point still stand. Toews is better than Girard .But yeah both should be protected as long as Johnson waives the NMC. Otherwise I can see Girard becoming Seattle's Shea Theodore


Bro you’re just wrong. If Johnson doesn’t waive he gets bought out so they can protect Toews. Seriously that you even don’t get the fact that guys that get 7yr deals that just started are core members of a franchise held in significantly higher regard than guys that get 4 yr deals just blows my mind. Good luck.
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