How much is St Louis adding?

Bozak's M NTC doesn't include Ottawa. If the Blues have that LTIR cap relief, Blues keep Bozak. . Gee, I don't think the Blues do the NYR trade.

Blues fans not gonna like this, Ottawa would say yes of course, it’s a steal.

Bozak at 5 million isnt awful. Its not ideal, but hes not overpaid by that much

Also the Rangers would need to add more to that trade. I dont see the Blues trading away Dunn so easily

Blues wouldn't do this deal. Again Rangers need to pay a First+ for Dunn. Dunn is superior to Buchnevich who would be a Middle 6 forward for us.

As for the Bozak deal. Blues aren't paying to get rid of Bozak. And Ottawa isn't one of the teams Bozak is willing to be traded to I'm not so sure Sharks would be either. So I'm not sure Blues can off hand Bozak very easily but a 4th-5th round pick is how much Bozak would cost being slightly overpaid, but being one of the best Defensive Centers in the league last year. As for your lines

Perron-O'Reilly-Thomas
Schwartz-Schenn-Buch (Schenn has told the org that he wants to play the center role)
Blais-Sundqvist-Kyrou
Clifford-Barbashev-MacEachern

Krug-Parayko
Scandella-Faulk
Dunn-Bortuzzo

Buchnevich is a legitimate Top 6 F who makes every line he's on better (look at Kreider & Zibanejad with and without him). Dunn's thus far been a heavily sheltered 3rd pairing Dman, 6th in TOI/Game among STL Dmen this season with over 4 min less TOI/Game than the guy in 5th. I'm sure he's better than that, but if so, why wasn't he used more?

Dunn’s ice time regressed last year because of the team’s other D. They brought in Faulk and tried to force him into a top 4 spot. You had Bouwmeester, Faulk, Pietrangelo, and Parayko vying for top 4 ice time.

When Bouwmeester went down instead of promoting Dunn, Army got Scandella. I think most objectionable opinions are the more ice time Dunn received the better overall his game was growing. He had Covid at the bubble and definitely didn’t have a good showing after.

The Blues are committed to Krug and Scandella. The 3rd pair isn’t where Dunn belongs. The Blues also had the upcoming Perunovich who’s a lefty as well although he’s typically played the right side. We’ll see if that continues in the NHL or not.

Value wise Dunn and Buchnevich are very close. Buchnevich does have a little concern with injuries too but all things considered they’re very close in value.

circumstantial evidence 6th TOI/Game because he's not on the PP unit. Also because they decided Faulk as LD was the right replacement. It's also based on game plan for the team. Buch on the Blues would be a middle 6 forward his stats over the past 4 seasons is very average.

4 Seasons worth of play. And it's over 3,000 Minutes of Sample. You can say well Buch makes everyone better. Not actually true. And the only reason he's in the Top 6 is because the NYR depth is a bit weak, compared to Blues. Buch might make 3rd line LW, and until Tarasenko gets back 2nd Line RW, but no better than that. Which is middle 6. But what some people wanna look at is 1 year which you simply cannot base a trade on one season of progression. Buch is also 25 on the last year of his contract, and only has 1 year left of RFA eligibility. They are going to want to make it a huge contract for a little amount of years when St.Louis isn't wanting to use him as much as a team like New York would. Vince Dunn at 22, and willing to take a cheap bridge deal and you get another contract out of him, and his production is better than Buch. He might look sheltered because of minutes, but if you look at QoC v QoT it's actually interesting because the Blues love to mix pairings up and Dunn gets put on first pairing quite a bit too. Dunn now after last year I believe has the talent to be a Top 4. But ideally you aren't gonna put Faulk and Dunn together, and Krug and Parayko is already a given. So he probably again gets put as a 2B/3rd Pairing. But his talent level is higher than what most think.

While the Dunn/Buch is certainly open to debate, there is no way in hell the Blues are paying someone to take Bozak, let alone a 1st.

Buchnevich was 17th league-wide in points for a RW, with only 1 guy above him (Reilly Smith) having less PP points. If Buchnevich had spent his season working the PP1 (which he really should've, but Quinn coaches with his head up his ass for the most part), he could've easily pushed 60 points, considering the disparity in both PP time and level of players between PP 1 & PP 2.

Kreider-Zibanejad-Other: 51.06% CF, 50.38 FF%, 52.24 SF%, 47.62 GF%, 39.92 xGF%, 47.98 SCF%, 41.25 HDCF%, 42.86 HDGF%
KZB: 52.82 CF%, 54.24 FF%, 55.07 SF%, 64.29 GF%, 53.79 xGF%, 57.04 SCF%, 54.17 HDCF%, 63.16 HDGF%

In terms of Rels, teamwise Buchnevich was 3rd in CF% Rel, 3rd in FF% Rel, 2nd in SF% Rel, 4th in xGF% Rel, 3rd in SCF% Rel, 4th in HDCF% Rel. The only 2 players who consistently finished above him in those Rel categories were Artemi Panarin (Hart Finalist), and Adam Fox (should have been a Calder finalist).

Blues don't need a PP specialist. We need a regular goal scorer. and those percentages are circumstantial based on QoC if you actually looked at it.

Dunn G+/60 was 18th, Dunn was number 10 in C+/60, 28th GF/60, 34th in CF. the only thing Buch hits higher than Dunn is xGF+/60.


Compare there GAR, WAR, and SPAR.

Dunn GAR 14.7 WAR 2.6 SPAR 5
Buchnevich GAR 12.4 WAR 2.2 SPAR 4.2

Wins Above Replacement is one of the most definitive stat lines you can give someone, but please continue. You don't watch the Blues. You only watch Rangers. Trust me I've seen Buch he looks good, but again he's been average over the past 4 years. This could very well be a fluke year, it's happened before. So I'm sorry you just won't change my mind and Blues won't give up Dunn for Buch.

You're right, I haven't watched Dunn. I have however watched Buchnevich, and based off what you're saying, you very much have not. So this is definitely an agree to disagree situation here, because quite frankly, the Rangers don't need a guy like Dunn that needs to be sheltered, especially at the expense of a young, line-driving Top 6F. If Kravtsov and Kakko were guaranteed to hit their ceilings, he'd be as expendable as Dunn currently is. Which is to say, not very, but willing to send in the right deal.

He doesn't need to be sheltered. You just don't understand the Blues depth system. They don't put him with another offensive guy. The only time they did that was pietrangelo for Stanley Cup. But they moved him down to Parayko for a little bit too and with him he had a 100% CF. During that time. Again you might base Buch on your team. On our team he doesn't beat out Perron, Thomas, Schwartz, Schenn, O'Reilly, Tarasenko when he gets back, and he definitely doesn't stand up to Bozak (One of the Best Defensive Centers in the League last year). Dunn is a definitive Top 4 regardless of if you think he is sheltered lol he hauls a ton of minutes. 3,000 over the past 4 years, and the advanced stats have been consistent over past 4 years. Buchnevich had 1 good season and 3 pretty sh*tty seasons before and that's because the team just got better in general. As far as I see it Blues don't want or need to trade Dunn for a Middle 6 forward on the Blues. We need a top goal scorer. A lot of people around the NHL have already said 1st Round Pick + B Prospect. Buchnevich doesn't hold the value of a first round pick. He's already 25 years old, and he just had one lucky year. that's hardly a bargain argument to base anything on. It's a system that you see so many players that have 1 fluke year then play crap after that don't do anything afterwards. It's too much of a risk to see that happen with Buch just because he was with bad teammates before and now you see he's with good teammates, and he's not hauling a ton of minutes. He's a powerplay specialist which is not what we need. If that's what we wanted we would just go for Hoffman. At this point a cheaper and better alternative is Granlund which is not going to cost as much as Buchnevich.

Yeah, it's becoming abundantly clear you have no idea what you're talking about with regards to Buchnevich. To be expected, quite frankly.

No you clearly don't understand what being a homer means. Which is understandable. You have to get as much as you possibly can for a player when trading them just like Montreal and Toronto.