SalarySwishSalarySwish
Forums/Fauteuil - DG

Tatar over Lehky and Armia

Créé par: TheDuminator
Équipe: 2021-22 Canadiens de Montréal
Date de création initiale: 2 déc. 2020
Publié: 2 déc. 2020
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
Why having 2 bottom 6 guys that would take 6M together... as Tatar & Danault are way more valuable... and we are stuck with Byron who is great at PK. = SOLID Top 9
the following season: Chariot money will be given to Suzuki
and after Allen, Byron off the book for an extra 5M in savings and maybe Drouin as well if he doesn't step up.
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
2800 000 $
2800 000 $
32 800 000 $
21 000 000 $
2800 000 $
21 200 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
44 200 000 $
65 300 000 $
2800 000 $
Transactions
MTL
    Seattle pick him or Kulak but both are gone!
    Rachats de contrats
    Repêchage1e ronde2e ronde3e ronde4e ronde5e ronde6e ronde7e ronde
    2021
    Logo de MTL
    Logo de MTL
    Logo de TBL
    Logo de MTL
    Logo de CHI
    Logo de WSH
    Logo de MTL
    Logo de STL
    Logo de VGK
    Logo de MTL
    Logo de OTT
    Logo de PHI
    Logo de MTL
    Logo de MTL
    2022
    Logo de MTL
    Logo de MTL
    Logo de MTL
    Logo de MTL
    Logo de MTL
    Logo de MTL
    Logo de MTL
    Logo de STL
    2023
    Logo de MTL
    Logo de MTL
    Logo de MTL
    Logo de MTL
    Logo de MTL
    Logo de MTL
    Logo de MTL
    TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
    2281 500 000 $70 789 287 $597 561 $1 175 000 $10 710 713 $
    Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
    Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
    4 200 000 $4 200 000 $
    AG, AD
    UFA - 2
    Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
    5 300 000 $5 300 000 $
    C
    UFA - 6
    Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
    6 500 000 $6 500 000 $
    AD, AG
    M-NTC, NMC
    UFA - 6
    Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
    5 500 000 $5 500 000 $
    AG, AD
    M-NTC
    UFA - 2
    Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
    863 333 $863 333 $ (Bonis de performance537 500 $$538K)
    C
    UFA - 1
    Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
    5 500 000 $5 500 000 $
    AD, AG
    M-NTC
    UFA - 6
    Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
    3 400 000 $3 400 000 $
    AG, AD
    UFA - 2
    Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
    2 800 000 $2 800 000 $
    C
    UFA - 1
    Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
    2 125 000 $2 125 000 $
    AD, AG
    UFA - 3
    Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
    1 000 000 $1 000 000 $
    C, AG
    UFA - 2
    Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
    750 000 $750 000 $
    C
    UFA - 1
    Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
    800 000 $800 000 $
    C, AD
    UFA - 1
    Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
    800 000 $800 000 $
    C
    UFA - 1
    Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
    Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
    875 000 $875 000 $
    DG/DD
    M-NTC
    UFA - 3
    Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
    7 857 143 $7 857 143 $
    DD
    UFA - 5
    Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
    10 500 000 $10 500 000 $
    G
    NMC
    UFA - 5
    Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
    1 750 000 $1 750 000 $
    DG/DD
    M-NTC
    UFA - 1
    Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
    2 343 750 $2 343 750 $
    DD
    M-NTC, NMC
    UFA - 4
    Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
    2 875 000 $2 875 000 $
    G
    UFA - 2
    Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
    894 167 $894 167 $ (Bonis de performance637 500 $$638K)
    DG
    RFA - 1
    Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
    800 000 $800 000 $
    DD
    UFA - 1
    Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
    800 000 $800 000 $
    DD
    RFA - 1

    Code d'intégration

    • Pour afficher cette équipe sur un autre site Web ou blog, ajoutez ce iFrame à la page appropriée
    • Personnalisez les dimensions dans le code IFrame ci-dessous pour adapter votre site de manière appropriée. Minimum recommandé: 400px.

    Texte intégré

    Cliquer pour surligner
    The simple question at the beginning was: Tatar over Armia & Lehky do you agree?
    Le graphique a été masqué

    Options de sondage


    2 déc. 2020 à 12 h 37
    #1
    Wreckless
    Avatar de l'utilisateur
    Rejoint: sept. 2020
    Messages: 3,360
    Mentions "j'aime": 438
    Way too much for Danault. And Poehling won't likely be more than NHL minimum.
    2 déc. 2020 à 12 h 46
    #2
    Former Hockey Fan
    Avatar de l'utilisateur
    Rejoint: juin 2017
    Messages: 13,144
    Mentions "j'aime": 10,516
    Quoting: Wreckless
    Way too much for Danault. And Poehling won't likely be more than NHL minimum.


    What are you talking about with Danault?

    I agree about Poehling.
    2 déc. 2020 à 17 h 41
    #3
    Habs_fan
    Avatar de l'utilisateur
    Rejoint: juill. 2020
    Messages: 670
    Mentions "j'aime": 158
    Habs can't pay a third line center over 5M. You have to look long term. Suzuki will make around 8M at some point and Kotkaniemi will probably make around the same if he develops into what they are hoping. Plus what is Romanov going to make in 3-4 years. Caufield has to be added to the picture as well. If Danault wants to stay the max contract he will get is 4 x 4.5M. Its the only deal that makes sense for the future.
    3 déc. 2020 à 10 h 49
    #4
    Wreckless
    Avatar de l'utilisateur
    Rejoint: sept. 2020
    Messages: 3,360
    Mentions "j'aime": 438
    Quoting: Kotkaniemi15
    What are you talking about with Danault?

    I agree about Poehling.


    1) flat cap
    2) who do you consider to be a comparable player to Phil Danault who makes $5.3mm (even before COVID)?
    3 déc. 2020 à 11 h 11
    #5
    Wreckless
    Avatar de l'utilisateur
    Rejoint: sept. 2020
    Messages: 3,360
    Mentions "j'aime": 438
    Quoting: p1015983
    Habs can't pay a third line center over 5M. You have to look long term. Suzuki will make around 8M at some point and Kotkaniemi will probably make around the same if he develops into what they are hoping. Plus what is Romanov going to make in 3-4 years. Caufield has to be added to the picture as well. If Danault wants to stay the max contract he will get is 4 x 4.5M. Its the only deal that makes sense for the future.


    I'd keep it simpler than that looking at the money we need down the road for others. Let's keep it strictly about Danault's role, his recent performance, and his relative comps. Right now.
    Danault has played more minutes that we'd typically want him to play the last two seasons given the lack of other experienced options at center, but I think it's reasonable to assume that he can average around 17 minutes of ice time per game give or take (over the course of a 4-6 year contract). He'll plays critical 5on5 minutes against the other team's top players. He gets prime PK minutes. Key defensive zone faceoffs. No time on the powerplay. In some games that might get him between 18-19 minutes, in others 15-16. It will also vary depending on which other young players we're trying to bring along at any given point in time, and also who might be injured.

    Danault is an excellent player, but he doesn't score enough to put him in more than his fair share of offensive zone faceoffs, or on the power play. The team is better off with him slotted in as a "#3" but he can easily get more minutes of ice-time than someone like KK well into the future. So would that make him a true #2 then? Either way, the "number" that he gets attributed in the minds of many doesn't matter at the end of the day. What's his role, and how good is he at it. Those are the questions that need to be answered.
    3 déc. 2020 à 11 h 41
    #6
    Wreckless
    Avatar de l'utilisateur
    Rejoint: sept. 2020
    Messages: 3,360
    Mentions "j'aime": 438
    Quoting: Wreckless
    1) flat cap
    2) who do you consider to be a comparable player to Phil Danault who makes $5.3mm (even before COVID)?


    The best comp that I can think of for Danault is (strangely) Lars Eller.

    Here are all the possible ways that I can think of these two comparing.
    Danault, drafted in the 1st round, 26th overall.
    Eller, drafted in the 1st round, 13th overall.
    advantage: Eller

    Both drafted by other teams and then traded to the Habs at a similar stage in their career.
    Danault's 2 year bridge contract coming out of ELC: $912,500
    Eller's 2 year bridge contract coming out of ELC: $1,150,000
    advantage: Eller

    Danault's 3rd contract, signed with the Habs, 3x$3.083mm
    Eller's 3rd contract, signed with the Habs, 4x$3.5mm
    advantage: Eller

    Danault's 4th contract: ?
    Eller's 4th contract, signed with the Caps, 5x$3.5mm

    Eller's expected role during the 4th contract: 3rd line center. 200 foot player with disproportionately defensive responsibilities.
    Danault's expected role during the 4th contract: 3rd line center. 200 foot player with disproportionately defensive responsibilities.

    Eller's health and size: never seriously injured in 10 full NHL seasons. 6'2" 205lbs.
    Danault's health and size: injured 30 games in 1 of 5 full NHL seasons. 6'1" 201lbs.
    advantage: Eller

    Eller's performance in the regular season: 132g 164a 296pts in 754g. best ever season last year at 16g 23a 39pts in 69 games. high in goals at 18.
    Danault's performance in the regular season: 50g 125a 175pts in 339g. best ever season last year at 13g 34a 47pts in 71 games. high in goals at 13.
    advantage: Eller for gpg, Danault for ppg.

    Eller's performance in the playoffs: 14g, 31a, 45p in 86g. Best seasons, 5g, 7a, 13p in 17g and 7g, 11a, 18p in 24g
    Danault's performance in the playoffs: 1g, 4a, 5p in 16g. Best seasons, 0g, 2a, 2p in 6g and 1g, 2a, 3p in 10g
    advantage: Eller by a mile.

    Faceoff stats:
    advantage: Danault.

    +/-
    advantage: Danault.

    Team success in both the regular season and playoffs:
    advantage: Eller

    I think you can reasonably make the case that Danault can (and likely will) be paid more than Eller, but how much is too much? In many of these categories, Eller holds a significant edge. Is Danault really worth more than $1mm more than Eller? Especially now with COVID and an expected flat cap for multiple seasons?
    3 déc. 2020 à 17 h 56
    #7
    Former Hockey Fan
    Avatar de l'utilisateur
    Rejoint: juin 2017
    Messages: 13,144
    Mentions "j'aime": 10,516
    Quoting: Wreckless
    1) flat cap
    2) who do you consider to be a comparable player to Phil Danault who makes $5.3mm (even before COVID)?


    Mikael Backlund, Charlie Coyle, and Jean-Gabriel Pageau are all centres around the same age as Danault, who signed 6 year contracts worth from $5 to $5.35 million per year with no trade clauses in every year. Danault is better offensively and defensively than all 3 of these players. He’s getting over $5 million, no questions asked.
    TheDuminator a aimé ceci.
    4 déc. 2020 à 12 h 46
    #8
    Wreckless
    Avatar de l'utilisateur
    Rejoint: sept. 2020
    Messages: 3,360
    Mentions "j'aime": 438
    Quoting: Kotkaniemi15
    Mikael Backlund, Charlie Coyle, and Jean-Gabriel Pageau are all centres around the same age as Danault, who signed 6 year contracts worth from $5 to $5.35 million per year with no trade clauses in every year. Danault is better offensively and defensively than all 3 of these players. He’s getting over $5 million, no questions asked.


    Backlund is a consistent 20 goal scorer, so yeah, not a great comp.
    Coyle got me thinking a bit, but he also scores alot more than Phil. Also, the added factor of the scarcity value of being a a big RH center (which has got to the bigger factor in his case).
    Pageau is coming off a 26 goal season in only 67 games and has 20 career playoff goals, so yeah, not a comp either.

    You guys can all say what you want about "points", but in this league you get paid for scoring goals (and, to a lesser degree, ridiculous levels of primary assists). Any center would put up points in the middle of Tatar and Gallagher. At the end of the day, Danault is an excellent defensive center with decent (not great) offensive instincts, but in this league it's goal scoring (see Brendan Gallagher) that gets you paid higher than the Eller tier of center. And even Eller scores more than Phil.

    You can "claim" that "he's getting over $5mm, no questions asked." But how much do you think Hoffman is going to sign for? Or next off-season how much Bonino?

    Add to the mix that the contracts you listed were all pre-covid. Teams don't have the cap space to spend in the same ways that the Islanders and Bruins THOUGHT they were going to be able to spend. It was a different world on Nov. 27 2019 and Feb 24th 2020 when Coyle and Pageau were extended. Expecting the same cap hit today is wishful thinking (for players and agents) at best.
    8 déc. 2020 à 9 h 2
    #9
    Démarrer sujet
    HabsFan
    Avatar de l'utilisateur
    Rejoint: juill. 2017
    Messages: 5,448
    Mentions "j'aime": 933
    Quoting: p1015983
    Habs can't pay a third line center over 5M. You have to look long term. Suzuki will make around 8M at some point and Kotkaniemi will probably make around the same if he develops into what they are hoping. Plus what is Romanov going to make in 3-4 years. Caufield has to be added to the picture as well. If Danault wants to stay the max contract he will get is 4 x 4.5M. Its the only deal that makes sense for the future.


    Count Danault as a 2nd C for the next 3years to leave time to KK to fully take that spot.
    And for today NHL all first 3 lines plays equally 15M/game.. than are the PP & PK icetime where on PK Danault takes some minutes and Suzuki & KK would get the PP minutes for an overall avg of 18min each.
    In 3 years where you would need need to pay big $$$ to Suzuki, Romy and KK... you would have Chiarot, Edmunsdon, Byron and maybe Drouin off the book for a 12M$ in savings... so we are fine.
     
    Répondre
    To create a post please Login or S'inscrire
    Question:
    Options:
    Chargement de l'animation
    Soumettre les modifications du sondage