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Trade Deadline

Créé par: PinkWhitney
Équipe: 2020-21 Avalanche du Colorado
Date de création initiale: 28 nov. 2020
Publié: 28 nov. 2020
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Transactions
COL
  1. Bonino, Nick
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Assuming Wild aren't in a playoff spot.
MIN
  1. Choix de 3e ronde en 2021 (COL)
  2. Choix de 4e ronde en 2022 (COL)
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2381 500 000 $84 604 720 $0 $2 945 000 $-3 104 720 $

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M-NTC
UFA - 1
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C
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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UFA - 5
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5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
AG, AD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo de Avalanche du Colorado
4 500 000 $4 500 000 $
C
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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AD, AG
UFA - 2
Logo de Wild du Minnesota
4 100 000 $4 100 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 1
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3 900 000 $3 900 000 $
AD
UFA - 3
Logo de Avalanche du Colorado
2 500 000 $2 500 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 2
Logo de Avalanche du Colorado
1 800 000 $1 800 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 1
Logo de Avalanche du Colorado
3 500 000 $3 500 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 3
Logo de Avalanche du Colorado
2 850 000 $2 850 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
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DG
UFA - 3
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880 833 $880 833 $ (Bonis de performance2 500 000 $$2M)
DD
UFA - 1
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G
UFA - 1
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5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 7
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6 000 000 $6 000 000 $
DD
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 3
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2 000 000 $2 000 000 $
G
UFA - 2
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DG/DD
UFA - 1
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4 100 000 $4 100 000 $
DG
UFA - 4
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874 125 $874 125 $
C
UFA - 1
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863 333 $863 333 $ (Bonis de performance425 000 $$425K)
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RFA - 3
Logo de Avalanche du Colorado
765 000 $765 000 $ (Bonis de performance20 000 $$20K)
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28 nov. 2020 à 16 h 34
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Makes sense, I think the value is a bit low if Bonino is performing as he has in the past. Definitely a good deadline add.
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28 nov. 2020 à 16 h 55
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if bonino has a good season it will be a 1st easily. Multiple teams will be looking for his services.
28 nov. 2020 à 22 h 7
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if bonino has a good season it will be a 1st easily. Multiple teams will be looking for his services.


A 1st? No. A 2nd and a 3rd or 4th? Maybe.
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28 nov. 2020 à 22 h 34
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A 1st? No. A 2nd and a 3rd or 4th? Maybe.


1sts have been pretty common at the TDL the last couple of years. COL should/could be he favorites out the the West next year. Adding a quality 3C with the Playoff/Cup experience might be worth a 1st to the Avs (or other contender). Retained cap, or taking a rental cap dump could be part of it.
28 nov. 2020 à 23 h 2
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Quoting: wabit
1sts have been pretty common at the TDL the last couple of years. COL should/could be he favorites out the the West next year. Adding a quality 3C with the Playoff/Cup experience might be worth a 1st to the Avs (or other contender). Retained cap, or taking a rental cap dump could be part of it.


Yes, in recent history for younger players with an additional year on their contract while having a friendly cap hit...
28 nov. 2020 à 23 h 18
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Yes, in recent history for younger players with an additional year on their contract while having a friendly cap hit...


Hayes, JGP, Hall (if you count him), Duschene, Kane, Stasney, Hanzel, even Vermette a little bit longer ago.

I don't think it's a smart trade for COL, but not unreasonable, a pair of 2nds would be better. COL doesn't have any 2nds in the next 2 drafts, so the 1st is the only pick there is that would interest MN.
28 nov. 2020 à 23 h 30
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Hayes, JGP, Hall (if you count him), Duschene, Kane, Stasney, Hanzel, even Vermette a little bit longer ago.

I don't think it's a smart trade for COL, but not unreasonable, a pair of 2nds would be better. COL doesn't have any 2nds in the next 2 drafts, so the 1st is the only pick there is that would interest MN.


I think this might cause COL some trouble at the deadline. A 2nd for a vet with playoff experience seems like the going rate so they are going to have to over pay if the need to make some moves. The Avs have prospects too, but I wonder who they’d be willing to deal when push comes to shove.
28 nov. 2020 à 23 h 35
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Quoting: wabit
Hayes, JGP, Hall (if you count him), Duschene, Kane, Stasney, Hanzel, even Vermette a little bit longer ago.

I don't think it's a smart trade for COL, but not unreasonable, a pair of 2nds would be better. COL doesn't have any 2nds in the next 2 drafts, so the 1st is the only pick there is that would interest MN.


Those are all top 6 players except for JGP who is arguably the best 3C in the game. If I remember correctly, Hanzal and Vermette were top 6 players at that time.

We are talking about post 30 Bonino at 4.1M. In no world is he worth a 1st at the deadline. Maybe 3-4 years ago, but certainly not anymore.
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28 nov. 2020 à 23 h 56
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Those are all top 6 players except for JGP who is arguably the best 3C in the game. If I remember correctly, Hanzal and Vermette were top 6 players at that time.

We are talking about post 30 Bonino at 4.1M. In no world is he worth a 1st at the deadline. Maybe 3-4 years ago, but certainly not anymore.


Hanzel and Vermette were top-6 on awful AZ teams (3Cs on good teams). But Bonino should be the 1C in MN this year, so it fits in the same category. For a rental age doesn't really matter, how his season is going is what matters. Wild can retain; which is needed for this team to be cap compliant. A 1st looks like an overpay now, but if guys like Staal (BUF) and Danualt (MTL) aren't on the market at the TDL the pool dries up a lot. Like I said COL not having a 2nd for the next 2 drafts hurts in getting a rental for just picks.

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I think this might cause COL some trouble at the deadline. A 2nd for a vet with playoff experience seems like the going rate so they are going to have to over pay if the need to make some moves. The Avs have prospects too, but I wonder who they’d be willing to deal when push comes to shove.


Jost, if he doesn't take a big step, is my guess. I'm counting out the last 2 draft classes as being on the table, maybe even the 2018 draft also (because of the COVID and losing that year of hockey).
29 nov. 2020 à 0 h 24
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Jost, if he doesn't take a big step, is my guess. I'm counting out the last 2 draft classes as being on the table, maybe even the 2018 draft also (because of the COVID and losing that year of hockey).


Since you being up Covid, I think it actually lowers the value of higher picks so this would be the year to overpay with a 1st. It sure looks like COL has hit on their high picks over the last few years so they don’t “need” it and that player wouldn’t help them for a few years anyway.
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Since you being up Covid, I think it actually lowers the value of higher picks so this would be the year to overpay with a 1st. It sure looks like COL has hit on their high picks over the last few years so they don’t “need” it and that player wouldn’t help them for a few years anyway.


Well supposedly the year's draft is a weaker one. More guessing than usual involved. I think some teams will punt on it and make a "go for it" trade.
29 nov. 2020 à 8 h 6
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A 1st? No. A 2nd and a 3rd or 4th? Maybe.


come on, they guy is a 2x cup winner putting up great numbers and a hell of a 3C.
Hell the penguins still haven't been able to replace him in that role.
Now you use a comparison like Pageau. Who got a 1st, a 2nd, and a conditional 3rd.....Bonino will get a 1st.
29 nov. 2020 à 10 h 53
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come on, they guy is a 2x cup winner putting up great numbers and a hell of a 3C.
Hell the penguins still haven't been able to replace him in that role.
Now you use a comparison like Pageau. Who got a 1st, a 2nd, and a conditional 3rd.....Bonino will get a 1st.


I sure hope so, just don’t want to be greedy and disappointed come the deadline.
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Well supposedly the year's draft is a weaker one. More guessing than usual involved. I think some teams will punt on it and make a "go for it" trade.


That’s more or less the idea, supposedly the top 15 is quality but not star quality and after that the lack of play time is going to make a 2nd feel more like a 3rd/4th. I also think there are going to be more guys going later that eventually make an impact.
29 nov. 2020 à 23 h 5
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come on, they guy is a 2x cup winner putting up great numbers and a hell of a 3C.
Hell the penguins still haven't been able to replace him in that role.
Now you use a comparison like Pageau. Who got a 1st, a 2nd, and a conditional 3rd.....Bonino will get a 1st.


Pageau is like 25 years old and arguably the best 3C in the league while Bonino is 30+ year old with a 4.1M cap hit on the last year of his contract...

Alec Martinez was a great PK specialist as well as an insane shot blocker won 2 Stanley cups, 2 OT winners, 1 to send them to the final and 1 to win the final and he didn't get a 1st, also he had an extra year on his contract.
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29 nov. 2020 à 23 h 35
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Pageau is like 25 years old and arguably the best 3C in the league while Bonino is 30+ year old with a 4.1M cap hit on the last year of his contract...

Alec Martinez was a great PK specialist as well as an insane shot blocker won 2 Stanley cups, 2 OT winners, 1 to send them to the final and 1 to win the final and he didn't get a 1st, also he had an extra year on his contract.

Pageau is a few years younger, but came with no term, and he got a 2nd and conditional 3rd attached. It's a stretch to say he's the best 3C in the league, it was best of what was available at that time.
I don't put to much into OTT inflated numbers. They pump guys every year to get more out of them as they hit the door running.
The years before last year don't equate to "best 3C in the league"
Either way, a 1st is very reasonable expectation. Teams spend 1sts on rentals all the time and Bonino isn't that old. Like I said, if he has a good year this year, they could get that 1st out of him.
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Pageau is a few years younger, but came with no term, and he got a 2nd and conditional 3rd attached. It's a stretch to say he's the best 3C in the league, it was best of what was available at that time.
I don't put to much into OTT inflated numbers. They pump guys every year to get more out of them as they hit the door running.
The years before last year don't equate to "best 3C in the league"
Either way, a 1st is very reasonable expectation. Teams spend 1sts on rentals all the time and Bonino isn't that old. Like I said, if he has a good year this year, they could get that 1st out of him.


I'm sure there was some kind of discussion about an extension before Lou pulled the trigger on Pageau.

Bonino is definitely not worth a 1st, if that's what they get for him, it would be a complete steal.
30 nov. 2020 à 9 h 52
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I'm sure there was some kind of discussion about an extension before Lou pulled the trigger on Pageau.

Bonino is definitely not worth a 1st, if that's what they get for him, it would be a complete steal.


the player doesn't have to and frankly doesn't agree to anything before a trade. They know they make the most hitting the open market and testing it.
So no, I don't buy there was an extension as part of the agreement. The trade is between two teams. The players contract is between him and the team.
Guys don't take contracts so their old team can get a better return.
 
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