I’ll give my 2cents here. If Kap scores 25 it’s not bc he’s good it’s bc Sid / Malkin are elite. Rust had elite numbers this year mainly bc Malkin is a fkin monster. Penguins could have easily signed a guy or just kept Kuhun and not wasted a -#15 oa. Also to the guy who said that pick was < kap not true. Leafs drafted maybe one of the biggest sleepers of the draft. That kid is going to be amazing. Remember when people thought Kessel would score 50 goals. In 4 years he broke 30 goals 1x and he’s 3x the player Kap is.

if i thought Kap was the type of player who would stick with Sid (or even Geno for that matter) id be comfortable in saying he'd flirt with 25ish goals for the next couple years, but he's just not the type of player who excels with Sid. There is a reason the guys who get massive boosts from him are all grinder type workhorses.

The fact you think his ceiling is the same as Kapanens is funny. Even in pittsburgh, everyone projected him to be a 3rd liner at best. TOR got a "meh" prospect on the worst prospect pool in the NHL

That’s fair, the Penguins definitely needed a retool after 2 early playoff exits. I just didn’t like the Matheson acquisition since their top 4 defence (Dumo-Letang, Pettersson-Marino) is already set. Matheson will be on the third pair with Riikola which is a waste for his cap hit. The team still needs to sign a legit 3C.

Google it dude. There was 2 other teams offering a 1st round pick. I don’t know if they were willing to add a prospect or not. Obviously you don’t care to read anything. You can’t even fully understand my posts. It took u twice to understand that post. I forget the other team. Whatever man, you’ll argue about anything. His value was too high?? We’ll 2 other teams gm’s( 3 including ours) didn’t think so. You—we’ll what the pick was 3 spots later. So much difference!! Wow!! You got me!! I’m not arguing with you man, like I said, we’ll see. This is gonna end badly for u. Even more, when Amirov is a bust. He can’t even score in Juniors. Good luck man!! I’m good with the trade!!

The Crosby/Malkin pumping numbers is not always correct. Yes, it happens. But look at all the wingers who failed playing with them 2. If it were always true, why didnt Simon ever score 10+ goals? Crosby and Malkin can only do so much

i love how people are thinking the difference between a 2-3rd line tweener (what Kap currently is) and 3rd liner is some sort of massive jump when discussing a prospects ceiling. Of course, now that Kapanen isnt a leaf everyone think's he's a very good 2nd liner or something so that might have something to do with it

Soderberg played pretty good in 2018/19. But Lowry’s stats prior to last season were insane as well.

And when he was on the Leafs, Leafs fans were saying he is easily a top 6 winger but blocked by Nylander and Marner. Stop playing stupid, that argument goes both ways

Here u go. 5:35 u can start!! This is the 1st thing that came up!! Your guys analysis saying 2 other teams were involved and offered a 1st. That was Kapanen’s value. Pittsburgh had to add Hallander. Which like we said, a “C” prospect. You can read your own Leafs insiders stuff to prove that. They even say his ceiling is a bottom 6.

wow, that's a lot right there. You said there were three teams and you cant even come up with a 2nd that valued him the way the pens did. Im not going to find your info for you. You wanna prove a point you do it.
as far as Amirov not scoring in Jr's,well that'd be something if he was playing in jr instead of the KHL against men. Now, if you actually googled Amirov (its real easy) you could see that he scored at a higher than PPG pace in the MHL (russian jr type league) where the only player on that pace or higher was almost 3 years older than him.
good luck indeed!

yeah, Leaf fans thought he was an ok 2nd line winger who was blocked by 2 1st line winge

ah yes, everyone's favourite analysts youtube man and his friends with no new info. good job!

Take a look at Kapanen’s stats from 2018/19 when he played with Matthews, he was impacting his team’s offensive play at an above average level. Considering it was his first full season in the NHL, it’s quite impressive. Considering that he’ll get to play alongside an elite center again, there’s no reason to think he can’t get Regain that form.

Lol, wow, now I’m completely done. You just made the blocked list. Big difference bud. A top 6 or a bottom 6. Huge difference. Even a big difference in pay. The 1st two lines are interchangeable. See Leafs line-up and Mariner on the 2nd line!! I guess MRner and your 3rd line wings are even too!! Top 6 players and bottom 6 players are a huge difference!! The 3rd line is more of a defensive, checking line, that can chip in and score a bit. A lot less minutes than a top 6 forward too!! How do u not know this?? Lol. Really man, u need google in your life. Congrats though, u made the block list for that comment!!

Ohh ya? 18 pick and the 15th is a huge difference though?? That’s your thinking?? And a top 6 and bottom 6 isn’t?? Lol..wow!!

By the way, the video just confirms that the devils offered their 18 pick and another team offered a 1st too..that’s all. That’s all I was looking for, 1st thing google brought up!!

IDK about your takes on Amirov. I’ve seen a lot of analysts such as Bill Comeau, Kevin Papetti, Nick DeSouza and NHL TapeTalk rank him as the 12th best prospect in the draft, whereas they had Zary at 15, Lapierre 16, Schneider 19 and Guhle out of the first round (his defensive metrics were horrible). Amirov’s advanced analytics are through the roof so he’s a guy Dubas couldn’t pass up.

why is it always people who paint themselves into a corner they cant fake their way out of who block me? i wonder why?

IDK man, Kessel when he went to Arizona didn’t have get to play with elite players around him (Schmaltz was his center & Crouse was his LW), so he wasn’t exactly put in a position to succeed. Hornqvist will get to share the ice with Barkov, Huberdeau & Ekblad (3 elite players). I just felt Hornqvist never got an opportunity to play with Sid & Jake over the past 2 seasons.

Lol, Wikipedia knows the difference is huge b/ween a top 6 and bottom 6. If that dude is from Canada. He should have his citizenship revoked for that comment..lol.

“A team's 1st forward line is composed of their best players, the guys that are the most skilled and usually play on the powerplay. They are out there to score goals.

The 2nd line is also a scoring line. 2nd line players can be interchanged with top line players based on chemistry and playing style.

The 3rd and 4th lines can be composed of different players depending on the team, but these are usually the "grinders" or a "checking line"; guys that are usually defensively sound but don't bring much in the way of offense.”

“Higher end (typically first line) players may be put on the second line to spread scoring across the lineup, making a team more difficult for opponents to defend against. This frequently happens when a team has two high-end players who play the same position”


“The third line is often called the checking line, and is generally made up of more defensively oriented forwards and grinders. This line is often played against an opponent's first or second lines in an effort to reduce their scoring, and physically wear them down. The third line adds less offense than the first or second lines, but generally more than the fourth.”


Top 6, bottom 6. Huge difference. Even In pay and minutes. A 2nd line player is interchangeable with the 1st line. A top 6 forward!! Even “in game”!! A bottom 6 will not be put “in game” onto a top line unless an injury. Even if a player is majorly struggling the coach will even wait till the next game to change that. It’s a huge change, putting a bottom 6 on a top line!!

There is no major difference b/ween the 2nd line and 3rd line. Wow, I can’t believe I wasted my time arguing with that!! I wish he would have posted that earlier so I knew that a was dealing with someone who has no clue about hockey!!

eh Kap got 20 in his 1st full season at the NHL level with spending a lot of time on the 3rd line aka less minutes.
Last year not so much but lets be honest, their team sucked last year. They had managed to basically play themselves out the playoffs. If it wasn't for Covid, they probably wouldn't have made the playoffs.

He's a young player, the hardest thing for them is consistency, he has the talent to hit 25, but like any player they can't do it themselves. I honestly don't think they are looking for him to be a goal scorer so I think that whole argument is pointless. They want him to be the glue. Jake and Sid can score the goals, they need the other elements and that's really what's going to define him there.

say what you want about Kessel, he's a huge reason they won 2 cups, and they actually had a good powerplay with him. It is what it is.

you shouldn't say such things, Canada is turning into a fascist state.
#FreeAdamSkelly

And he’s coming into a locker room with Sid and Geno. That’s a big deal. Even more so to a younger player. Most players change when they come here. And that probably has a lot to do with it. He’s not in a locker full of kids like in Toronto.

Yes 100%, Hornqvist has been a corner stone of the Penguins organization for years. He scored both game winners in both Stanley Cup Final games. Horny is a legend that we will never forget!!! Great memories watching him play! He will largely be missed by all of us!

Yes I was a huge Horny fan! I felt he was still good enough to play a top line role over the past 2 seasons, but the coaching staff wasn’t willing to take that risk which led to his departure. He will go down as one of the most important players in the team’s history!

Bc Simon is terrible and his upside is defensive hockey?

Exactly right!! 100% agree. They can help with Points, secondary assists, but you still have to produce. Sid and Geno can carry a line, but cannot turn an average player into a good one. Or a good one into a great one. We have seen it b4 with Simon, and Sheary and Sprong!! That’s perfect, you are 100% right!! When Kappy scores 20 plus this year, that’s gonna be everyone’s excuse!! “Well he’s playing with Crosby”. You’re Exactly right though!! They can only do so much. They can’t put the puck in the net for u!!