I like the thought but I don't think it's possible.

Just seeing the name Marincin will make any Leafs fan want to vomit.

The $1.2M can not be moved. It's permanent.

I doubt ARI is interested in moving Dvorak.

First off, you can’t move the $1.2M. It’s just a rule. If the leafs were allowed to move it they would’ve done it forever ago. Also I believe there’s a rule that says Toronto can’t re-acquire Kessel on his current contract because they retained some of his deal. I know this because after the Hagelin trade to LA, JR wanted to bring him back at the deadline. However, he couldn’t because he retained some salary in the initial trade away.

It certainly is, just not sure dubas has enough peyote to get Armstrong to go along with this.

It is? Then Dubas needs to do it!

Sorry but this is wrong top to bottom. Since it had been more than one calendar year the leafs can reacquire Kessel. By doing so the retention would be amalgamated as you can not retain in a contract you currently own. He could then be traded with no retention to coyotes. No rule forbidding this since his contract is no longer retained.

Now for the reason he doesn’t... the price to acquire Kessel and then move him at 8m would not be worth the 1.2m.
if they could work out a deal to have Seattle take him.., that would be interesting.

yeah like what Jamiepo said since its been more then a calander year since the initial trade the leafs are able to reacquire Kessel. After doing so his cap hit on the leafs books would be at 8 million thus eliminating the retention because theyve got his contract back.

If the leafs feel they want to stack a top line I personnaly would rather have Marner on the 2nd line rather then Nylander. This has definitely been brought up before but if they do this they cant have Kerfoot as their 2c. Dvorak back with Marner on that 2nd line is something id really like to see. Engvall would also stylistically fit on this line very well imo, moving down hyman and getting a stronger defensive 3c like tampa did with Coleman-Gourde-Goodrow would be fantastic

I think AZ likes and wants to keep kessel so if they didnt want him back they wouldnt be able to make this move or they would have to make it without kessel they would just have to move out simmonds some how even if they have to bury him

A team cannot reacquire someone that was traded away with retained salary for 1 calandar year. So in this case the Leafs could get kessel back but it would be wise to have Arizona retain salary

Yes, getting Kessel and sending him to Seattle is certaintly an interesting thought.

No, I meant getting rid of Kessel's reained salary.

I believe they can trade him back to Arizona if they do not retain. I would have to read the wording on that in the cba. Pens did not retain on Kessel and the Yotes would not be trading him with retention either. I believe the wording in the cba is one calendar year when the team in question is retaining on that contract.

This part I may have incorrect though.

Not that it matters that much as Yotes would never be able to take him back due to cap and money issues.

oh my bad. the dollar value on Kessel's deal wouldnt make that much of a difference even for them but the fact that Kerfoot makes so much less then Dvorak and wasnt that much worse then him this season likely makes a huge difference for them. Its not really a realistic deal for them to make but if the Leafs decide they want to stack the 1st line, this is the move I would like to see them make. To do so they would need to either reacquire and move Kessel, make a slight downgrade in net for even Kuemper or Raanta if we're sticking on the AZ topic, or move Simmonds who isnt good anyways.

Im not sure if Kessel's signing bonuses are paid out all at once like normal or if theyre paid out twice like the leafs did with Marleau meaning half was paid on july 1st and the other half was at the end of the summer or something but if its normal the leafs would only be set to pay $1,050,000 on kessel's deal and AZ would be on the hook for the rest if im correct. If his 5 million bonus this year is paid in two stages like Marleau's deal was set up then the leafs would only owe him something like $1,425,000 but again I could be wrong about that. If im right or wrong in my calculations, Im certain that the leafs owe kessel under 2 million with out taking into account everything else that is involved in the payments like escrow and everything.

That amount thats under 2 million is far less then the difference between Kerfoot's $ and Dvorak's $. In terms of the cap hits this really hinges on where Armstrong thinks they can go so If they want to sell then they can take on the extra cap hit but if they want to go for it and be stuck in mediocrity for a few more years then they probably wont make this trade

Ya, I think you are making some good points here, still skeptical on whether on not the leafs can somehow get out of the kessel retained salary. I've looked it up and can't gt a strait answer.

Per a CapFriendly tweet - I knew I read this somewhere.

Question: "What would happen if the Leafs Re-acquired Kessel, then traded him at a full cap hit to another team? Can they un-retain the salary doing that?"

Answer: "No. Once a contract is part of a retained salary transaction, it can not be reassembled. As a result, the Leafs are on the hook for that dead money until Kessel's contract expires even if they were to reacquire him one day."

See my post above.

That's kind of what I thought.