Fair Jones trade would be....nothing cause Columbus isn’t trying to trade him

Lmfao. Jones is the most overrated defenseman in the NHL. He was as impactful as Justin Holl in 19-20
He not worth even a quarter of what the Leafs are giving up here

Would you accept Foudy, Bemstrom, Savard, Nash, and a 2nd for Matthews and kerfoot both with retention?

This is why no one takes you serious because you make stupid comments like this

Its not even stupid. I have stats to prove it if you want

I have those exact same stats but Advanced Stats only say about 30% of the story. Eye test says Jones is easily a top 10 defenseman in the league

I don't know about the Holl thing, but he is right in that Jones is by far the most overrated Dman in the league. He is the king of doing stuff that looks really good on the surface but ultimately leads to nothing. It is no coincidence that all of the Leafs offense in their series came when he was on the ice. Both a careful eye test and analytics support this.

Someone obviously hasn't watched Jones play, or if you have and legitimately think he's as good as Holl you need to rethink you're ability to discern what makes a player impactful

deys3232 deys3232 deys3232 just trying to implant in my mind to never take you seriously going forward

Not really, Ive watched a ton of Jones film recently to see what makes him look so good. Here are my obervations
-He allows everyone to enter the zone
-He is big and hits in corners
-He does not break up passes/allows everyone to make plays
-He is always scrambling in the D-Zone and happens to get a ton of blocks because he is always scrambling
-He has a great skater who is good in transition/bringing the puck up the ice
-He lets Werenski create offense. Hes very passive offensively, occasionally using his big shot to take a slapper set up by a team mate
-Chills at the blueline and looks like he is doing something

You should definitely keep Holl and the Jackets should keep Jones because thats what your stats say.
Ps you should watch hockey sometime, like an actual game.

Let’s please just not do this.... this is why people hate leaf fans... making trade for players who aren’t going to be moved and then others complains about said same player sucking in a never ending cycle.

This is flawed because that's almost exactly what didn't happen. Jones was paired up against Toronto's top line almost every time they touched the ice, that was Torts plan not Keefes. Torts purposely put Jones out there whenever Toronto's top line was on the ice. Especially in game 5 when Toronto ran the 34M line and got shut out.

Yes I have, Ive watch a ton of Jones heres what I learned from analysing ONLY Jones and completely ignoring everything else on the ice

-He allows everyone to enter the zone
-He is big and hits in corners
-He does not break up passes/allows everyone to make plays
-He is always scrambling in the D-Zone and happens to get a ton of blocks because he is always scrambling
-He has a great skater who is good in transition/bringing the puck up the ice
-He lets Werenski create offense. Hes very passive offensively, occasionally using his big shot to take a slapper set up by a team mate
-Chills at the blueline and looks like he is doing something

post the stats i’m so curious to see what backs up this crazy claim

That was Korpisalo becoming a brick wall and the Leafs having horrible puck luck

Watching that Toronto vs Columbus series I had the exact opposite impression. He does little things defensively that are tough to notice, but are what make him so tough to play against. Really smart, played against the Leafs top players, and just seems so calm and composed on the backend, and never makes defensive errors.

Crazy how if you only look for the flaws in someones game they stand out. Jones is not perfect but he is also one of the least sheltered defenseman in the league. I guess it's jsut a fluke that the 34M line got shut out when matched up the entire game against the AHL caliber defensman Seth Jones

When Marner for Jones straight up isn't fair what makes you think this is fair? Nylander + a 1st nets you Jones IMO. Maaaaybe a 2nd or a prospect instead of the 1st but Nylander's the base.

For everyone who’s curios, Deys is talking about how Jones’s advanced stats aren’t very good.

You are correct in that he was hard matched to the top lines. He got caved in. The Leafs as a whole shot 2% that series, that doesn't mean he wasn't bad and gave up a ton to us. The other pairs with Murray, Gavrikov, etc allowed virtually nothing while almost every good chance the Leafs got was with Jones on the ice. He is quite bad defensively.
Now that doesn't mean you cannot be a good dman, so looking at his offensive plays really explains why people think he is better then he is. So often he will make some crazy play and rush the puck out, which is really obvious to a basic eye test and looks fantastic. The key to seeing the issue is to notice what happens after, and the vast majority of the time he takes those insane plays and turns them into nothing. Feel free to go back and watch tape. Focus on what happens to the puck after Jones breaks it out. You'll often see it go harmlessly into the corner or end up with the Leafs breaking back out with numbers.

Tl;dr
He looks really flashy, but it doesn't lead to much

Well I guess one of my two earlier statements does hold true then, huh

I have him muted. As soon as I saw you mention him I know the comment is gonna be no good lol

Just mute him and save your breath

Yup and Advanced Stats never tell the whole story. Eye test says Jones is a top 10 defense in the league