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Blockbuster MTL Trade

Créé par: Leafs4life34
Date de création initiale: nov 10, 2020
Publié: 10 nov 2020 à 20 h 29
Équipe: 2020-21 Maple Leafs de Toronto
Transactions
TOR
  1. Caufield, Cole [Liste de réserve]
  2. Danault, Phillip (500 000 $ retained)
  3. Weber, Shea
  4. Price, Carey
MTL
  1. Holl, Justin
  2. Andersen, Frederik
  3. Marner, Mitchell
  4. Kerfoot, Alexander
Rachats de contrats
  • Mikhail Grabovski: 0 $
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
  • Phil Kessel: 1 200 000 $ (15%)
Enfoui
  • Pierre Engvall: 175 000 $ (1 250 000 $)
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
2021
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
2022
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
2023
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2181 500 000 $81 362 217 $0 $0 $137 783 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
TOR
Vesey, Jimmy
900 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
TOR
Matthews, Auston
11 640 250 $
C
UFA - 4
TOR
Nylander, William
6 962 366 $
AD, AG
UFA - 4
TOR
Hyman, Zach
2 250 000 $
AG, AD
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Tavares, John
11 000 000 $
C
NMC
UFA - 5
TOR
Mikheyev, Ilya
1 645 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 2
TOR
Barabanov, Alexander
925 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 1
MTL
Danault, Phillip
2 583 333 $
C
UFA - 1
TOR
Simmonds, Wayne
1 500 000 $
AD, AG
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Anderson, Joey
750 000 $
AD
RFA - 3
TOR
Thornton, Joe
700 000 $
C, AG
NMC
UFA - 1
TOR
Spezza, Jason
700 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
TOR
Rielly, Morgan
5 000 000 $
DG
NTC
UFA - 2
MTL
Weber, Shea
7 857 143 $
DD
UFA - 6
MTL
Price, Carey
10 500 000 $
G
NMC
UFA - 6
TOR
Muzzin, Jake
5 625 000 $
DG
NMC
UFA - 4
TOR
Brodie, TJ
5 000 000 $
DD
NMC
UFA - 4
TOR
Campbell, Jack
1 650 000 $
G
UFA - 2
TOR
Lehtonen, Mikko
925 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
TOR
Dermott, Travis
874 125 $
DG
RFA - 1
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
TOR
Bogosian, Zach
1 000 000 $
DD
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Robertson, Nicholas
821 667 $
AG
RFA - 3
TOR
Sandin, Rasmus
894 167 $
DG
RFA - 2
TOR
Scott, Ian
805 833 $
G
RFA - 2
Caufield, Cole
925 000 $
AD, C
RFA
TOR
Hållander, Filip
764 167 $
C
RFA - 3
TOR
Liljegren, Timothy
863 333 $
DD
RFA - 2
TOR
Der-Arguchintsev, Semyon
766 667 $
C
RFA - 3

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10 nov 2020 à 20 h 35
#1
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MTL takes it and runs
10 nov 2020 à 20 h 46
#2
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Quoting: Campabee
NFW they say you made your bed now lie in it and hang the F*** up.


Marner's a 95 pt scorer
Kerfoot is a 40 pt scorer
Holl is a shutdown D-man
Andersen is a replacement starter

FOR

Future 30-40 goal scorer
50 pt C
Good defenseman, too long term
Overpaid overterm starter goalie
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10 nov 2020 à 20 h 50
#3
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Quoting: MaxDomi13
Marner's a 95 pt scorer
Kerfoot is a 40 pt scorer
Holl is a shutdown D-man
Andersen is a replacement starter

FOR

Future 30-40 goal scorer
50 pt C
Good defenseman, too long term
Overpaid overterm starter goalie


Kerfoot < Caufield
Holl <<<<< Weber (HOF D man not just good)
Anderson <<<<<<<<<<<< Price (over paid by 1.5 Mil but still HOF goalie)
Marner >>> Danault (Still a top Selke candidate)

So yes Montreal passes and hangs up.
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10 nov 2020 à 20 h 55
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Quoting: Campabee
Kerfoot < Caufield
Holl <<<<< Weber (HOF D man not just good)
Anderson <<<<<<<<<<<< Price (over paid by 1.5 Mil but still HOF goalie)
Marner >>> Danault (Still a top Selke candidate)

So yes Montreal passes and hangs up.


You clearly don't understand how horrible Carey Price's contract is. The only way Montreal rejects this is if they think Caufield is going to be a lot better than Mitch Marner.
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10 nov 2020 à 20 h 56
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Quoting: MaxDomi13
Marner's a 95 pt scorer
Kerfoot is a 40 pt scorer
Holl is a shutdown D-man
Andersen is a replacement starter

FOR

Future 30-40 goal scorer
50 pt C
Good defenseman, too long term
Overpaid overterm starter goalie


On contracts alone I want NOTHING to do with 39 year old $10.5 million carey price or 41 year old $7.857 million shea weber

Marner is a 95 point scorer RIGHT NOW. What happens if he breaks out and has a draisaitl like explosion at 24-25? He's got it in him, and we signed him through his 28th birthday. Trading Marner, especially for some aging guys on obscene contracts would be a disaster
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10 nov 2020 à 21 h 01
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two of the worst contracts in the league? wow, just what the leafs need
10 nov 2020 à 21 h 06
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Quoting: Campabee
Kerfoot < Caufield
Holl <<<<< Weber (HOF D man not just good)
Anderson <<<<<<<<<<<< Price (over paid by 1.5 Mil but still HOF goalie)
Marner >>> Danault (Still a top Selke candidate)

So yes Montreal passes and hangs up.


let’s break this down a little more...

Caufield is no doubt going to be better than Kerfoot, unless something catastrophic happens. Caufield >> Kerfoot

Weber is better than Holl... but the price, age and term difference makes the skill gap a little less important. Weber still has more value though. Weber >> Holl

Marner is a lot better than Danault. Danault is a good two way player, but so is Marner. and the last I heard, Danault wasn’t happy with his defensive role in Montreal. Marner also puts up quite a few more points. So Marner >>>> Danault

Now it gets more interesting.... HOF goalie Carey Price has the exact same career SV% as guess who? Frederik Andersen. Price has had a far more successful team in front of him for his career than Andersen, better defence as well. You could argue “Price has a better GAA.” and well yeah, that is true. I think how many pucks a goalie stops in a game (SV%) is more important being as GAA, imo, is more of a team stat than a goalie stat. So given the fact the Andersen is $5M cheaper, 2 years younger, and has equal career SV%....... Andersen >> Price.

Oh yeah, and Andersen isn’t being paid TEN AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS UNTIL HE IS 39!
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10 nov 2020 à 21 h 07
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Montreal rejects as that is 4 good pieces of the team for 2-3 ( depending on how you view the players ) good pieces of Toronto’s team also Toronto just get some the better players in general

Quoting: JaredOfLondon
two of the worst contracts in the league? wow, just what the leafs need


They aren’t 2 of the worst contract in the league since at least they are good unlike the Eriksson’s and Okposo’s
10 nov 2020 à 21 h 09
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Quoting: Kukas2600
let’s break this down a little more...

Caufield is no doubt going to be better than Kerfoot, unless something catastrophic happens. Caufield >> Kerfoot

Weber is better than Holl... but the price, age and term difference makes the skill gap a little less important. Weber still has more value though. Weber >> Holl

Marner is a lot better than Danault. Danault is a good two way player, but so is Marner. and the last I heard, Danault wasn’t happy with his defensive role in Montreal. Marner also puts up quite a few more points. So Marner >>>> Danault

Now it gets more interesting.... HOF goalie Carey Price has the exact same career SV% as guess who? Frederik Andersen. Price has had a far more successful team in front of him for his career than Andersen, better defence as well. You could argue “Price has a better GAA.” and well yeah, that is true. I think how many pucks a goalie stops in a game (SV%) is more important being as GAA, imo, is more of a team stat than a goalie stat. So given the fact the Andersen is $5M cheaper, 2 years younger, and has equal career SV%....... Andersen >> Price.

Oh yeah, and Andersen isn’t being paid TEN AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS UNTIL HE IS 39!


Andersen will not be better than Price for a couple years and Danault is better defensively than Marner but Marner could grow into the defensive role of Danault
10 nov 2020 à 21 h 13
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Quoting: A_Habs_fan
Andersen will not be better than Price for a couple years and Danault is better defensively than Marner but Marner could grow into the defensive role of Danault


Their SV% over their careers are equal....
and price has been on more successful teams, with better defence.

Danault is better defensively than Marner. but Marner is also good defensively. Not to mention the offensive gap. Danault also doesn’t seem to like the defensive role he plays in Montreal and wants to get to play offence more, or that is what I read in an article a bit ago.
10 nov 2020 à 21 h 28
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Quoting: Campabee
Kerfoot < Caufield
Holl <<<<< Weber (HOF D man not just good)
Anderson <<<<<<<<<<<< Price (over paid by 1.5 Mil but still HOF goalie)
Marner >>> Danault (Still a top Selke candidate)

So yes Montreal passes and hangs up.


except the future. TOR wouldn't want to do this lol
10 nov 2020 à 21 h 29
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Quoting: Lyle_Bubas
On contracts alone I want NOTHING to do with 39 year old $10.5 million carey price or 41 year old $7.857 million shea weber

Marner is a 95 point scorer RIGHT NOW. What happens if he breaks out and has a draisaitl like explosion at 24-25? He's got it in him, and we signed him through his 28th birthday. Trading Marner, especially for some aging guys on obscene contracts would be a disaster


I know. TOR would definitely decline this
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10 nov 2020 à 21 h 33
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Quoting: Campabee
Kerfoot < Caufield
Holl <<<<< Weber (HOF D man not just good)
Anderson <<<<<<<<<<<< Price (over paid by 1.5 Mil but still HOF goalie)
Marner >>> Danault (Still a top Selke candidate)

So yes Montreal passes and hangs up.


Uh what?
Quoting: MaxDomi13
Marner's a 95 pt scorer
Kerfoot is a 40 pt scorer
Holl is a shutdown D-man
Andersen is a starter

FOR

Future 30-40 goal scorer
50 pt C
Good defenseman, too long term
Overpaid overterm starter goalie


This is spot one analysis. No need to say anything more.
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10 nov 2020 à 22 h 10
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Quoting: Kukas2600
let’s break this down a little more...

Caufield is no doubt going to be better than Kerfoot, unless something catastrophic happens. Caufield >> Kerfoot

Weber is better than Holl... but the price, age and term difference makes the skill gap a little less important. Weber still has more value though. Weber >> Holl

Marner is a lot better than Danault. Danault is a good two way player, but so is Marner. and the last I heard, Danault wasn’t happy with his defensive role in Montreal. Marner also puts up quite a few more points. So Marner >>>> Danault

Now it gets more interesting.... HOF goalie Carey Price has the exact same career SV% as guess who? Frederik Andersen. Price has had a far more successful team in front of him for his career than Andersen, better defence as well. You could argue “Price has a better GAA.” and well yeah, that is true. I think how many pucks a goalie stops in a game (SV%) is more important being as GAA, imo, is more of a team stat than a goalie stat. So given the fact the Andersen is $5M cheaper, 2 years younger, and has equal career SV%....... Andersen >> Price.

Oh yeah, and Andersen isn’t being paid TEN AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS UNTIL HE IS 39!


LMAO Price has had WAAAAY worse teams in front of him than Anderson! Even early in his career Price was never on a contending team. When the Habs did make the playoffs it was because Price clawed and dragged them into the playoffs, not because they deserved to be there for the most part. Price has had a HOF career and Freddie won't ever hit that height his habit of choking in the playoffs will haunt his entire career. To even suggest he will hit HOF status is an insult to all HOFers.
10 nov 2020 à 22 h 18
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Quoting: A_Habs_fan
Montreal rejects as that is 4 good pieces of the team for 2-3 ( depending on how you view the players ) good pieces of Toronto’s team also Toronto just get some the better players in general

significantly more money for significantly longer. they are a pair of the top worst contracts in the league easy

They aren’t 2 of the worst contract in the league since at least they are good unlike the Eriksson’s and Okposo’s
10 nov 2020 à 22 h 21
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Quoting: Campabee
LMAO Price has had WAAAAY worse teams in front of him than Anderson! Even early in his career Price was never on a contending team. When the Habs did make the playoffs it was because Price clawed and dragged them into the playoffs, not because they deserved to be there for the most part. Price has had a HOF career and Freddie won't ever hit that height his habit of choking in the playoffs will haunt his entire career. To even suggest he will hit HOF status is an insult to all HOFers.


Hold on, I suggested Freddy will hit HOF status? when? you’re funny.

Andersen’s career playoff SV% is .001 less than Price’s. and this past year in the playoffs/play-in Andersen had a .963....

I simply stated facts and opinions as to why Andersen is better to have on a team than Price.

Their SV% are identical. Andersen is younger, costs half as much and isn’t being paid $10.5M until he is 39...

It’ll be a lot of fun for MTL when Price and Weber really decline and they’re stuck paying them a combined how much? a little over $18M
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10 nov 2020 à 22 h 38
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Quoting: A_Habs_fan
Andersen will not be better than Price for a couple years and Danault is better defensively than Marner but Marner could grow into the defensive role of Danault


Quoting: Campabee
LMAO Price has had WAAAAY worse teams in front of him than Anderson! Even early in his career Price was never on a contending team. When the Habs did make the playoffs it was because Price clawed and dragged them into the playoffs, not because they deserved to be there for the most part. Price has had a HOF career and Freddie won't ever hit that height his habit of choking in the playoffs will haunt his entire career. To even suggest he will hit HOF status is an insult to all HOFers.


last 4 years: (FYI goals saved above average is = [ league avgSV% x SF ] - GA)

pick one.

235gp | .913sv% all situations // .921sv% 5v5 // .926sv% on PP // .873sv% on PK | 607GA | 6988 Shots |13.27 Goals Saved Above Average | +7.3 wins vs. replacement goaltender

244gp | .916sv% all situations // .924sv% 5v5 // .910sv% on PP // .878sv% on PK | 656GA | 7798 Shots | 34.57 Goals Saved Above Average | +18.1 wins vs. replacement goaltender

one of these goalies is 31 making 5 million for one more year, the other is 33 making 10.5 million for 6 more years
10 nov 2020 à 23 h 01
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Quoting: Lyle_Bubas
last 4 years: (FYI goals saved above average is = [ league avgSV% x SF ] - GA)

pick one.

235gp | .913sv% all situations // .921sv% 5v5 // .926sv% on PP // .873sv% on PK | 607GA | 6988 Shots |13.27 Goals Saved Above Average | +7.3 wins vs. replacement goaltender

244gp | .916sv% all situations // .924sv% 5v5 // .910sv% on PP // .878sv% on PK | 656GA | 7798 Shots | 34.57 Goals Saved Above Average | +18.1 wins vs. replacement goaltender

one of these goalies is 31 making 5 million for one more year, the other is 33 making 10.5 million for 6 more years


And one of them doesn't CHOKE when it counts unlike Cujo 2.0!
10 nov 2020 à 23 h 07
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Quoting: Campabee
And one of them doesn't CHOKE when it counts unlike Cujo 2.0!


right, because price has had so much playoff success
10 nov 2020 à 23 h 09
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Quoting: Kukas2600
Hold on, I suggested Freddy will hit HOF status? when? you’re funny.

Andersen’s career playoff SV% is .001 less than Price’s. and this past year in the playoffs/play-in Andersen had a .963....

I simply stated facts and opinions as to why Andersen is better to have on a team than Price.

Their SV% are identical. Andersen is younger, costs half as much and isn’t being paid $10.5M until he is 39...

It’ll be a lot of fun for MTL when Price and Weber really decline and they’re stuck paying them a combined how much? a little over $18M


Did you or did you not say Anderson >>> Price? Price will be a HOFer so suggesting Freddie is better than Price means you ABSOLUTELY called him a HOFer!

Who cares about Sv% or GAA or wins vs losses when you can't win on the playoffs!

How many vesnas has he won? How many times was Freddie voted all-world? The guy is a choke artist when it counts!
10 nov 2020 à 23 h 18
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Quoting: Lyle_Bubas
right, because price has had so much playoff success


Way more than Anderson! Plus he has an Olympic gold medal, Vesna and was named All-World! But yeah Freddie is better! LEAFS FANS!!!!
10 nov 2020 à 23 h 30
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Quoting: Campabee
Way more than Anderson! Plus he has an Olympic gold medal, Vesna and was named All-World! But yeah Freddie is better! LEAFS FANS!!!!


he won the vezina 5 years ago, he was a fantastic goalie 5 years ago, amazing in fact, when he got all his gold medals

but we're not talking about 5 years ago carey price, we're talking about 33 year old carey price, who appears to be declining and is locked up till 39 at $10.5M

Price's experience is: lose second round in 5, swept in first round, lose in 3rd round in 5, lose third round in 5, lose first round in 7, miss playoffs, lose first round in 5, lose conference finals in 6, lose second round in 6, miss playoffs, lose first round in 5, miss playoffs, miss playoffs, lose first round in 6

he's been around longer, but not exactly a conn smythe and a couple cup rings. again, it prob wasn't his fault either, he's a hall of famer, but you can't then turn around and laugh at freddy for having the same exact save percentage numbers and not having success either
10 nov 2020 à 23 h 42
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Quoting: Lyle_Bubas
he won the vezina 5 years ago, he was a fantastic goalie 5 years ago, amazing in fact, when he got all his gold medals

but we're not talking about 5 years ago carey price, we're talking about 33 year old carey price, who appears to be declining and is locked up till 39 at $10.5M

Also I'd hardly qualify 17 less playoff games one more conference finals appearances as being "way more"

Price's experience is: lose second round in 5, swept in first round, lose in 3rd round in 5, lose third round in 5, lose first round in 7, miss playoffs, lose first round in 5, lose conference finals in 6, lose second round in 6, miss playoffs, lose first round in 5, miss playoffs, miss playoffs, lose first round in 6


Ok you want to talk about today only! How many rounds of the playoffs did Anderson win? Oh right a 3rd straight first round exit! (Yes I am being generous cause technically this time the Leafs didn't even make the playoffs but ask any true fan or player and the play ins were the start of the playoffs even if the league doesn't want to admit to it) Now how far did Price and Co. Go oh right they beat the Pens handily in the first round and pushed the Flyers to 6 games. So Price was twice as good as Anderson AGAIN!
10 nov 2020 à 23 h 56
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Quoting: Campabee
Ok you want to talk about today only! How many rounds of the playoffs did Anderson win? Oh right a 3rd straight first round exit! (Yes I am being generous cause technically this time the Leafs didn't even make the playoffs but ask any true fan or player and the play ins were the start of the playoffs even if the league doesn't want to admit to it) Now how far did Price and Co. Go oh right they beat the Pens handily in the first round and pushed the Flyers to 6 games. So Price was twice as good as Anderson AGAIN!


They both had identical save percentages, the reason the leafs lost is because they couldn't score, not because their goaltending sucked. They got out worked by Columbus and couldn't get a lucky bounce on a super hot Korpisalo. He was a career .897-.905sv% goalie, had a .911sv% this year, and in his first ever playoff appearance pulled a .941sv% out of absolutely nowhere
11 nov 2020 à 0 h 15
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Quoting: Lyle_Bubas
They both had identical save percentages, the reason the leafs lost is because they couldn't score, not because their goaltending sucked. They got out worked by Columbus and couldn't get a lucky bounce on a super hot Korpisalo. He was a career .897-.905sv% goalie, had a .911sv% this year, and in his first ever playoff appearance pulled a .941sv% out of absolutely nowhere


Did Freddie steal the series or did the Leafs drop out of the first round again? 3 years in a row! That is why every Leafs blockbuster trade today has had Anderson being moved for a better option INCLUDING Price here! In fact I dare to say that a large majority of Leafs ACGM's from actual Leafs fans only this off season have had Anderson being traded where as only a small fraction of Habs ACGM's from actual Habs fans only have had Price being traded. That is pretty telling especially when about 1/6th of all Anderson trades are to the Habs for Price! But yeah Anderson is the better goalie! LMAO!

Take a look through the first page of Leafs trades just today there are 25 proposed trades and Anderson was included in 12 of them! Of the 25 on the Habs side I did not see a single one proposing to get rid of Price!
 
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