Hard no

Gonna take more to squeeze Dvo out of AZ

This response is about as useless as a bald guy buying hairspray for himself.

I'm open to being proven wrong, and I can take criticism when it is justified. If your 677 other posts are as useless as this one then why bother posting here?

Thanks for the feedback. I really like Dvorak. I think he's the perfect merger center for MIN to transition to Rossi being their 1C. Hard to evaluate his cost though as he is largely slept on and not many threads here target him.

The issue with Dvo is that while he’s a solid 2C by league standards, he’s also by far the best center that the Coyotes have. So unless Hayton breaks out big time this year (fingers crossed) I don’t think the coyotes will move him at all. If Hayton explodes and the Coyotes feel they can replace Dvo through free agency next year then they’d be open to dealing him I think, but for a bit more than this deal provides.

For the record tho, this is the reason I don’t like making future year AGMs. I understand it’s all fun and games to try to predict the future, but who the hell really knows?

Oh you see him better than Schmaltz? or is that purely an injury thing? how similar are they?

Schmaltz is not a center. He can’t win face offs and is a liability defensively. Coyotes played him a bunch at wing last year and I think they’ll continue to do so next year and beyond.

That Dumba deal isn't good for Minnesota. Don't need or want Rust or the rest of it. Dvorak would be an okay target and I'd probably be fine with giving that package up to get him, but he's not a 1C. He's barely a 2C. Actually, change the 2nd to a 3rd.

Pens pass. I’d rather not lose dumo or MP

Pittsburgh protects Letang/Dumoliun/Pettersson and Marino is exempt. They expose Matheson, Ruthwedel and Riikola.

And Rust was a PPG player last year. His value is as high as it will ever be right now. They wouldn’t trade Rust for Dumba and a 2nd round pick from Minnesota. And you have the Pens giving up a
2nd round pick..lol. No thanks. Crazy!!

I think you’re spot on the assessment of Dvorak as a 2C but the fact he is the 1C really throws the trade value for a loop. We will know a bunch more about Khovanov after this year and if he performs to the hype, then him and a 2nd is great value for the Coyotes. Maybe too much for the Wild to give up.

My condolences for having to deal with the dumpster fire in the desert.

That's not an acceptable package for Dumba and trading with Pittsburgh makes absolutely no sense. Rust may have had the better season but that was much more of an exception than the rule. & Dumba looked improved in the bubble. Rust is also is older and won't have elite centre play in Minnesota. He is also a winger, something Minnesota shouldn't be worried about acquiring with a big trade chip like Dumba.

So from every angle, that deal is not good for Minnesota & PIT doesn't even have a need at RHD either plus it's selling low on Dumba while Pittsburgh is selling high on Rust. No. Thank. You.

The Arizona deal is also not worth it for Minnesota. Selling low on Khovanov due to his rough start in Russia and targeting a guy with higher valur than he should die to his importance to AZ. and Khovanov has the potential to maybe even be better than Dvorak.

If we're making a big trade for someone to be our 1C AND moving Dumba, why the he'll are they separate deals? Why are we putting ourselves in these extremely risky situations? It makes absolutely no sense.

Minnesota is selling low on the key pieces they are giving up for overvalued pieces from the teams they are trading with, getting older, and not even clearing cap. What is Minnesota doing here? Trying to contend without being real contenders? Is it 2016-17 again? Are they trying to here? Cause it looks like they're trying to continue to be mediocre by pushing to be better too early again.

Oh yeah, and they dont even sell high on theyre own guy, Stalock

And the signings aren't good either. The Wild have players for those spots. Overall this wouldn't be a well thought out string of moves that would probably end with even more fans calling for Guerin's head

this trade is wrong on so many levels. rusty plays the right way, just had a breakout year, and it maybe our only legit top-6 RW...
We have Letang and marino so there it literally zero need for dumba and his $6M on the 3rd pairing...
plus the expansion thing...we'd protect Dumoulin, Letang, and since Marino is exempt we'd lose either Pettersson or dumba...just ridiculous.

To be honest I know next to nothing about the Wild’s prospects, and my stock answer as of right now is that Dvo isn’t getting moved unless a team blows them out of the water with an offer, which I don’t think this one does (again, that might change after next season, but no one can predict the future)

To be honest I feel better about the coyotes situation than the Wild’s. At least all their money comes off the books next year and they can make a decision on whether to really tank or spend in FA.

you can keep Dumba. That doesn't help us win now.

The Wild are in purgatory almost entirely due to the Zuccarello deal. They do have about 40 mil coming off the books next year but they aren’t good enough to get past the first round but too good to truly rank.

If they could turn Zuccarello into Dvorak by eating the salary difference, or maybe even Keller if the Coyotes wanted to move his contract, I’d feel much better about what they could accomplish. That said, Khovanov will either be a top 6 guy or a bust in my eyes. He’s having a rough stint in the KHL but if he figures it out he’ll be in the NHL by 2022. So there is definite upside there.

We protect Letang/Dumoulin and Pettersson next year. We expose Matheson/Ruthwedel and Riikola. U only need 1 D exposed and can protect 7 Forwards 3 D and 1 goalie. We protect, Sid, Geno, Guentzel, Rust, Kappy, Zucker, McCann, Letang, Dumoulin, Pettersson. Marino is exempt. We expose Tanev, Blueger, ZAR, Matheson, Ruthwedel, Rikkola.

Ohh yes, I see. U are correct too! We’d leave ONE of Pettersson or Dumba unprotected. Yes, u are correct too! Sorry, takes me a minute to reread and comprehend!!

Considering the cap space the wild will have next offseason I would much rather just bring back foligno, skip the other ufas and paternal as he’s not needed with mennel, Addison and belpedio and then have the wild offer sheet Elias Petterson. Vancouver will have like 24m in cap space need new deals for hughes, petterson 2 other rfas and need a handful of other players to fill out their roster. Of the wild offer sheeted 7 years at 75m for petterson I think they’d be in a better position. The bonino and bjustads get traded. We resign hunt cheap, Hartman and foligno and let the likes of boldy, Beckman, khovanov into the lineup. I would find that far brighter for the future than Dvorak honestly. Just my 2 cents.