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Year Two - Two Steps Forward - One Back

Créé par: Wqrrior
Date de création initiale: nov 10, 2020
Publié: 10 nov 2020 à 1 h 13
Équipe: 2021-22 Wild du Minnesota
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
LISTE DE RÉSERVEANSCAP HIT
Johansson, Filip3925 000 $
Boldy, Matthew3925 000 $
RFAANSCAP HIT
Eriksson Ek, Joel43 000 000 $
Kaprizov, Kirill23 700 000 $
Fiala, Kevin66 000 000 $
Belpedio, Louis1750 000 $
Johnson, Luke1750 000 $
McCoshen, Ian1750 000 $
Shaw, Mason1815 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
Foligno, Marcus21 800 000 $
Cizikas, Casey32 800 000 $
Goligoski, Alex12 500 000 $
Pateryn, Greg1850 000 $
Transactions
MIN
  1. Rust, Bryan
  2. Riikola, Juuso
  3. 2022 2e round pick (PIT)
PIT
  1. Dumba, Matt
Détails additionnels:
exposes pettersson / dumoulin
MIN
    Claimed by SEA
    ANA
    1. Soucy, Carson
    MIN
    1. Dvorak, Christian
    Détails additionnels:
    before the ED
    ARI
    1. Khovanov, Alexander
    2. Shaw, Mason
    3. 2021 2e round pick (MIN)
    MIN
    1. 2022 4e round pick (CGY)
    CGY
    1. Stalock, Alex
    Détails additionnels:
    to take over as backup
    Rachats de contrats
    • Victor Rask: 1 333 333 $
    ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
    2021
    MIN
    PIT
    MIN
    PIT
    MIN
    MIN
    MIN
    MIN
    2022
    MIN
    MIN
    PIT
    MIN
    MIN
    CGY
    MIN
    SJS
    MIN
    2023
    MIN
    MIN
    MIN
    MIN
    MIN
    MIN
    MIN
    TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
    2381 500 000 $76 301 922 $0 $850 000 $5 198 078 $
    Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
    MIN
    Fiala, Kevin
    6 000 000 $
    AG, AD
    RFA
    ARI
    Dvorak, Christian
    4 450 000 $
    C, AG
    UFA - 4
    MIN
    Kaprizov, Kirill
    3 700 000 $
    AG, AD
    RFA
    MIN
    Parise, Zach
    7 538 461 $
    AG
    NMC
    UFA - 4
    MIN
    Rossi, Marco
    925 000 $
    C
    RFA - 2
    PIT
    Rust, Bryan
    3 500 000 $
    AD, AG
    UFA - 1
    MIN
    Boldy, Matthew
    925 000 $
    C
    RFA
    MIN
    Eriksson Ek, Joel
    3 000 000 $
    C
    RFA
    MIN
    Zuccarello, Mats
    6 000 000 $
    AG, AD
    NMC
    UFA - 3
    MIN
    Foligno, Marcus
    1 800 000 $
    AG, AD
    UFA - 3
    Cizikas, Casey
    2 800 000 $
    C
    UFA
    MIN
    Greenway, Jordan
    2 100 000 $
    AG, AD
    RFA - 1
    Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
    MIN
    Suter, Ryan
    7 538 461 $
    DG
    NMC
    UFA - 4
    MIN
    Spurgeon, Jared
    7 575 000 $
    DD
    NMC
    UFA - 6
    MIN
    Talbot, Cam
    3 666 667 $
    G
    UFA - 2
    MIN
    Brodin, Jonas
    6 000 000 $
    DG
    NMC
    UFA - 7
    Goligoski, Alex
    2 500 000 $
    DG/DD
    UFA
    MIN
    Kähkönen, Kaapo
    725 000 $
    G
    RFA - 1
    PIT
    Riikola, Juuso
    1 150 000 $
    DG
    UFA - 1
    MIN
    Belpedio, Louis
    750 000 $
    DD
    RFA
    Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
    MIN
    Pateryn, Greg
    850 000 $
    DD
    UFA
    MIN
    Sturm, Nico
    725 000 $
    C
    UFA - 1
    MIN
    Johnson, Luke
    750 000 $
    C
    RFA

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    10 nov 2020 à 1 h 23
    #1
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    Hard no
    10 nov 2020 à 1 h 33
    #2
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    Gonna take more to squeeze Dvo out of AZ
    Wqrrior a aimé ceci.
    10 nov 2020 à 1 h 34
    #3
    Démarrer sujet
    Wqrrior
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    Quoting: C21
    Hard no


    This response is about as useless as a bald guy buying hairspray for himself.

    I'm open to being proven wrong, and I can take criticism when it is justified. If your 677 other posts are as useless as this one then why bother posting here?
    10 nov 2020 à 1 h 35
    #4
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    Quoting: desertdog111
    Gonna take more to squeeze Dvo out of AZ


    Thanks for the feedback. I really like Dvorak. I think he's the perfect merger center for MIN to transition to Rossi being their 1C. Hard to evaluate his cost though as he is largely slept on and not many threads here target him.
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    10 nov 2020 à 1 h 41
    #5
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    Quoting: Wqrrior
    Thanks for the feedback. I really like Dvorak. I think he's the perfect merger center for MIN to transition to Rossi being their 1C. Hard to evaluate his cost though as he is largely slept on and not many threads here target him.


    The issue with Dvo is that while he’s a solid 2C by league standards, he’s also by far the best center that the Coyotes have. So unless Hayton breaks out big time this year (fingers crossed) I don’t think the coyotes will move him at all. If Hayton explodes and the Coyotes feel they can replace Dvo through free agency next year then they’d be open to dealing him I think, but for a bit more than this deal provides.

    For the record tho, this is the reason I don’t like making future year AGMs. I understand it’s all fun and games to try to predict the future, but who the hell really knows?
    10 nov 2020 à 1 h 42
    #6
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    Quoting: desertdog111
    The issue with Dvo is that while he’s a solid 2C by league standards, he’s also by far the best center that the Coyotes have. So unless Hayton breaks out big time this year (fingers crossed) I don’t think the coyotes will move him at all. If Hayton explodes and the Coyotes feel they can replace Dvo through free agency next year then they’d be open to dealing him I think, but for a bit more than this deal provides.

    For the record tho, this is the reason I don’t like making future year AGMs. I understand it’s all fun and games to try to predict the future, but who the hell really knows?


    Oh you see him better than Schmaltz? or is that purely an injury thing? how similar are they?
    10 nov 2020 à 1 h 46
    #7
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    Quoting: Wqrrior
    Oh you see him better than Schmaltz? or is that purely an injury thing? how similar are they?


    Schmaltz is not a center. He can’t win face offs and is a liability defensively. Coyotes played him a bunch at wing last year and I think they’ll continue to do so next year and beyond.
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    10 nov 2020 à 1 h 54
    #8
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    That Dumba deal isn't good for Minnesota. Don't need or want Rust or the rest of it. Dvorak would be an okay target and I'd probably be fine with giving that package up to get him, but he's not a 1C. He's barely a 2C. Actually, change the 2nd to a 3rd.
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    10 nov 2020 à 1 h 57
    #9
    Thank You GMJR
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    Pens pass. I’d rather not lose dumo or MP
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    10 nov 2020 à 2 h 02
    #10
    LETS go PENS
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    Pittsburgh protects Letang/Dumoliun/Pettersson and Marino is exempt. They expose Matheson, Ruthwedel and Riikola.

    And Rust was a PPG player last year. His value is as high as it will ever be right now. They wouldn’t trade Rust for Dumba and a 2nd round pick from Minnesota. And you have the Pens giving up a
    2nd round pick..lol. No thanks. Crazy!!
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    10 nov 2020 à 9 h 05
    #11
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    Quoting: desertdog111
    The issue with Dvo is that while he’s a solid 2C by league standards, he’s also by far the best center that the Coyotes have. So unless Hayton breaks out big time this year (fingers crossed) I don’t think the coyotes will move him at all. If Hayton explodes and the Coyotes feel they can replace Dvo through free agency next year then they’d be open to dealing him I think, but for a bit more than this deal provides.

    For the record tho, this is the reason I don’t like making future year AGMs. I understand it’s all fun and games to try to predict the future, but who the hell really knows?


    I think you’re spot on the assessment of Dvorak as a 2C but the fact he is the 1C really throws the trade value for a loop. We will know a bunch more about Khovanov after this year and if he performs to the hype, then him and a 2nd is great value for the Coyotes. Maybe too much for the Wild to give up.

    My condolences for having to deal with the dumpster fire in the desert.
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    10 nov 2020 à 9 h 46
    #12
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    Modifié 10 nov 2020 à 9 h 59
    Quoting: Wqrrior
    This response is about as useless as a bald guy buying hairspray for himself.

    I'm open to being proven wrong, and I can take criticism when it is justified. If your 677 other posts are as useless as this one then why bother posting here?


    That's not an acceptable package for Dumba and trading with Pittsburgh makes absolutely no sense. Rust may have had the better season but that was much more of an exception than the rule. & Dumba looked improved in the bubble. Rust is also is older and won't have elite centre play in Minnesota. He is also a winger, something Minnesota shouldn't be worried about acquiring with a big trade chip like Dumba.

    So from every angle, that deal is not good for Minnesota & PIT doesn't even have a need at RHD either plus it's selling low on Dumba while Pittsburgh is selling high on Rust. No. Thank. You.

    The Arizona deal is also not worth it for Minnesota. Selling low on Khovanov due to his rough start in Russia and targeting a guy with higher valur than he should die to his importance to AZ. and Khovanov has the potential to maybe even be better than Dvorak.

    If we're making a big trade for someone to be our 1C AND moving Dumba, why the he'll are they separate deals? Why are we putting ourselves in these extremely risky situations? It makes absolutely no sense.

    Minnesota is selling low on the key pieces they are giving up for overvalued pieces from the teams they are trading with, getting older, and not even clearing cap. What is Minnesota doing here? Trying to contend without being real contenders? Is it 2016-17 again? Are they trying to here? Cause it looks like they're trying to continue to be mediocre by pushing to be better too early again.

    Oh yeah, and they dont even sell high on theyre own guy, Stalock

    And the signings aren't good either. The Wild have players for those spots. Overall this wouldn't be a well thought out string of moves that would probably end with even more fans calling for Guerin's head
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    10 nov 2020 à 11 h 31
    #13
    Hockey IQ
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    Quoting: mhockey91
    Pens pass. I’d rather not lose dumo or MP


    Quoting: HockeyTownUSA69
    Pittsburgh protects Letang/Dumoliun/Pettersson and Marino is exempt. They expose Matheson, Ruthwedel and Riikola.

    And Rust was a PPG player last year. His value is as high as it will ever be right now. They wouldn’t trade Rust for Dumba and a 2nd round pick from Minnesota. And you have the Pens giving up a
    2nd round pick..lol. No thanks. Crazy!!


    this trade is wrong on so many levels. rusty plays the right way, just had a breakout year, and it maybe our only legit top-6 RW...
    We have Letang and marino so there it literally zero need for dumba and his $6M on the 3rd pairing...
    plus the expansion thing...we'd protect Dumoulin, Letang, and since Marino is exempt we'd lose either Pettersson or dumba...just ridiculous.
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    10 nov 2020 à 11 h 43
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    Quoting: jnowariak
    I think you’re spot on the assessment of Dvorak as a 2C but the fact he is the 1C really throws the trade value for a loop. We will know a bunch more about Khovanov after this year and if he performs to the hype, then him and a 2nd is great value for the Coyotes. Maybe too much for the Wild to give up.

    My condolences for having to deal with the dumpster fire in the desert.


    To be honest I know next to nothing about the Wild’s prospects, and my stock answer as of right now is that Dvo isn’t getting moved unless a team blows them out of the water with an offer, which I don’t think this one does (again, that might change after next season, but no one can predict the future)

    To be honest I feel better about the coyotes situation than the Wild’s. At least all their money comes off the books next year and they can make a decision on whether to really tank or spend in FA.
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    10 nov 2020 à 11 h 55
    #15
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    you can keep Dumba. That doesn't help us win now.
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    10 nov 2020 à 11 h 59
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    Quoting: desertdog111
    To be honest I know next to nothing about the Wild’s prospects, and my stock answer as of right now is that Dvo isn’t getting moved unless a team blows them out of the water with an offer, which I don’t think this one does (again, that might change after next season, but no one can predict the future)

    To be honest I feel better about the coyotes situation than the Wild’s. At least all their money comes off the books next year and they can make a decision on whether to really tank or spend in FA.


    The Wild are in purgatory almost entirely due to the Zuccarello deal. They do have about 40 mil coming off the books next year but they aren’t good enough to get past the first round but too good to truly rank.

    If they could turn Zuccarello into Dvorak by eating the salary difference, or maybe even Keller if the Coyotes wanted to move his contract, I’d feel much better about what they could accomplish. That said, Khovanov will either be a top 6 guy or a bust in my eyes. He’s having a rough stint in the KHL but if he figures it out he’ll be in the NHL by 2022. So there is definite upside there.
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    10 nov 2020 à 14 h 15
    #17
    LETS go PENS
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    Modifié 10 nov 2020 à 14 h 27
    Quoting: Pens3lieve
    this trade is wrong on so many levels. rusty plays the right way, just had a breakout year, and it maybe our only legit top-6 RW...
    We have Letang and marino so there it literally zero need for dumba and his $6M on the 3rd pairing...
    plus the expansion thing...we'd protect Dumoulin, Letang, and since Marino is exempt we'd lose either Pettersson or dumba...just ridiculous.



    We protect Letang/Dumoulin and Pettersson next year. We expose Matheson/Ruthwedel and Riikola. U only need 1 D exposed and can protect 7 Forwards 3 D and 1 goalie. We protect, Sid, Geno, Guentzel, Rust, Kappy, Zucker, McCann, Letang, Dumoulin, Pettersson. Marino is exempt. We expose Tanev, Blueger, ZAR, Matheson, Ruthwedel, Rikkola.

    Ohh yes, I see. U are correct too! We’d leave ONE of Pettersson or Dumba unprotected. Yes, u are correct too! Sorry, takes me a minute to reread and comprehend!!
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    10 nov 2020 à 19 h 10
    #18
    Patient gm
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    Considering the cap space the wild will have next offseason I would much rather just bring back foligno, skip the other ufas and paternal as he’s not needed with mennel, Addison and belpedio and then have the wild offer sheet Elias Petterson. Vancouver will have like 24m in cap space need new deals for hughes, petterson 2 other rfas and need a handful of other players to fill out their roster. Of the wild offer sheeted 7 years at 75m for petterson I think they’d be in a better position. The bonino and bjustads get traded. We resign hunt cheap, Hartman and foligno and let the likes of boldy, Beckman, khovanov into the lineup. I would find that far brighter for the future than Dvorak honestly. Just my 2 cents.
     
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