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Gaudreau without Suzuki

Créé par: Campabee
Date de création initiale: nov 5, 2020
Publié: 6 nov 2020 à 22 h 35
Équipe: 2020-21 Canadiens de Montréal
Explications
I don't think Gaudreau will be moved but outlined below MY absolute max price I would be willing to give up. Like it or hate it. It is just my opinion.

Not sure about the value for the Kulak deal I feel like I am a little low for Schneider
Transactions
MTL
  1. Gaudreau, Johnny
CGY
  1. Tatar, Tomas
  2. Armia, Joel
  3. Struble, Jayden [Liste de réserve]
  4. 2021 2e round pick (MTL)
Détails additionnels:
Calgary is allowed to talk with both Armia and Tatar about an extension before the deal is finalized.
MTL
  1. Schneider, Braden [Liste de réserve]
NYR
  1. Kulak, Brett
  2. 2021 2e round pick (TBL)
Rachats de contrats
  • Karl Alzner: 3 958 333 $
Enfoui
  • Jordan Weal: 325 000 $ (1 400 000 $)
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
2021
MTL
MTL
CHI
WSH
MTL
STL
VGK
MTL
OTT
PHI
MTL
MTL
2022
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
STL
2023
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2281 500 000 $80 616 309 $0 $3 987 500 $883 691 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
CGY
Gaudreau, Johnny
6 750 000 $
AG
UFA - 2
MTL
Suzuki, Nick
863 333 $
C, AD
RFA - 2
MTL
Gallagher, Brendan
3 750 000 $
AD
NMC
UFA - 1
MTL
Toffoli, Tyler
4 250 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 4
MTL
Kotkaniemi, Jesperi
925 000 $
C, AG
RFA - 1
MTL
Anderson, Josh
5 500 000 $
AD
UFA - 7
MTL
Drouin, Jonathan
5 500 000 $
AG
UFA - 3
MTL
Danault, Phillip
3 083 333 $
C
UFA - 1
MTL
Byron, Paul
3 400 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 3
MTL
Lehkonen, Artturi
2 400 000 $
AG, AD
RFA - 1
MTL
Poehling, Ryan
925 000 $
C, AG
RFA - 1
MTL
Evans, Jake
750 000 $
C, AD
RFA - 2
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
MTL
Chiarot, Ben
3 500 000 $
DG
NTC
UFA - 2
MTL
Weber, Shea
7 857 143 $
DD
UFA - 6
MTL
Price, Carey
10 500 000 $
G
NMC
UFA - 6
MTL
Romanov, Alexander
894 167 $
DG/DD
RFA - 2
MTL
Petry, Jeff
5 500 000 $
DD
NMC NTC
UFA - 1
MTL
Allen, Jake
4 350 000 $
G
UFA - 1
MTL
Mete, Victor
735 000 $
DG/DD
RFA - 1
MTL
Edmundson, Joel
3 500 000 $
DG
NTC
UFA - 4
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
MTL
Juulsen, Noah
700 000 $
DD
RFA - 1
MTL
Belzile, Alex
700 000 $
AD, C
UFA - 1

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6 nov 2020 à 22 h 38
#1
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That offer isn't even close for Gaudreau. Starts with Suzuki/Kotki ++

Stop reading Eklund rumors as if they have even remotely any merit to them
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6 nov 2020 à 22 h 38
#2
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Are Habs fans becoming Leafs fans or something? What is that trade? Would you accept Hajek and a 2nd for Kaiden Guhle?
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6 nov 2020 à 22 h 39
#3
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2 rentals as the centerpieces? Yeah there’s no way
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6 nov 2020 à 22 h 40
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
That offer isn't even close for Gaudreau. Starts with Suzuki/Kotki ++


I am not going to argue opinions. I said in the discription this is the MAX I would offer. I really don't care what anyone else has to say. No way would I give up Suzuki or KK for Gaudreau especially since I would not do it for Laine who is better than Gaudreau.
6 nov 2020 à 22 h 41
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Quoting: csick
2 rentals as the centerpieces? Yeah there’s no way


Read the discription they were allowed to extend them before the trade is finalized. That means they are NOT rentals.
6 nov 2020 à 22 h 44
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Quoting: Campabee
I am not going to argue opinions. I said in the discription this is the MAX I would offer. I really don't care what anyone else has to say. No way would I give up Suzuki or KK for Gaudreau especially since I would not do it for Laine who is better than Gaudreau.


Laine is not better than Gaudreau. LMAO.

Your takes are just something else, if you dont care what anyone else thinks then dont post it, because your offer is obviously crap and you should fully expect criticism.
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6 nov 2020 à 22 h 47
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Schneider was just drafted 19th overall. The Rangers TRADED UP to draft him. Brett Kulak is not worth the difference between a 1st and 2nd either, especially when this year's draft class is factored in.
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6 nov 2020 à 22 h 54
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Quoting: Campabee
I am not going to argue opinions. I said in the discription this is the MAX I would offer. I really don't care what anyone else has to say. No way would I give up Suzuki or KK for Gaudreau especially since I would not do it for Laine who is better than Gaudreau.


R u dumb, stupid or dumb? Gaudreau is twice the player Laine is. Bot these trades are crimes against humanity
6 nov 2020 à 23 h 01
#9
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I think the trade for Gaudreau would have to include a couple high end prospects. Primeau and Poehling.
6 nov 2020 à 23 h 29
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Quoting: greasy
I think the trade for Gaudreau would have to include a couple high end prospects. Primeau and Poehling.

Poehling isn’t a high end prospect, he’s barely a B prospect honestly. Primeau is good but we have Markstrom for now and Wolf for later so not overly interested. Suzuki or KK plus far more or there’s literally not a chance, Calgary is a much better team than Montreal and we’re trying to contend not sell, so it doesn’t make sense to give up our main offensive driver for pending UFAs, mid-round picks, or B prospects.
6 nov 2020 à 23 h 31
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Quoting: BroadwayBlueshirts
Schneider was just drafted 19th overall. The Rangers TRADED UP to draft him. Brett Kulak is not worth the difference between a 1st and 2nd either, especially when this year's draft class is factored in.


Yeah I thought that was a little light for Schneider lol.
6 nov 2020 à 23 h 56
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
Laine is not better than Gaudreau. LMAO.

Your takes are just something else, if you dont care what anyone else thinks then dont post it, because your offer is obviously crap and you should fully expect criticism.


I wasn't trying to offend you or anyone else. I outlined in the discription that this was max I would be willing to pay. I never asked if it was fair value or anything else like that. I have seen a ton of offers for Gaudreau today and just stated my opinion. I knew flames fans would think the value is too low but again I didn't want to argue opinions because I am just too tired. Gaudreau is a 80-100 point player when he is on his game which he was not this year. Also Gaudreau is rumoured to be wanting to return home to Philly in 2 years time so he would be considered sort of a rental as well. The deal had Tatar to offset some of the scoring loss suffered by losing Gaudreau. Armia who is a possession monster. Struble who is a B+ or A- defensive prospect and a 2nd for again a 2 year rental in Gaudreau. The ONLY way I would consider moving more is IF I had some sort of assurance that Gaudreau wouldn't walk in 2 years time and if he did we got some compensation back. As for my thinking that Laine is better than Gaudreau, we all have our opinions and quite honestly neither is right or wrong they are just different. Laine is bigger, younger, scores more goals and has come along more defensively than Gaudreau. So IMO he is worth more than Gaudreau. But I still wouldn't give up Suzuki or KK for him either. The Habs have been lacking at center for 20+ years now that we no longer have to worry about that I wouldn't give it up unless it was for something like a McDavid or MacKinnon. Of course the Habs would have to add a lot for one of those types of players but that would be the only scenario I would consider moving one of Suzuki or Kotkaniemi.

Quoting: TheFlamingC
R u dumb, stupid or dumb? Gaudreau is twice the player Laine is. Bot these trades are crimes against humanity


That's your OPINION but I am not going to call you stupid or dumb cause of it . I don't see where a difference of opionion warrants calling someone stupid but ok.

Seriously crimes against humanity?! Don't you think that's a little extreme to compare a trade proposal on a random fan website to the mass murders of women and children in war torn countries?
6 nov 2020 à 23 h 58
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Quoting: Alfie11
Poehling isn’t a high end prospect, he’s barely a B prospect honestly. Primeau is good but we have Markstrom for now and Wolf for later so not overly interested. Suzuki or KK plus far more or there’s literally not a chance, Calgary is a much better team than Montreal and we’re trying to contend not sell, so it doesn’t make sense to give up our main offensive driver for pending UFAs, mid-round picks, or B prospects.


Does nobody read the discription anymore. The deal had both Tatar and Armia extend with Calgary as part of finalizing the deal! Therefore they cannot be considered pending UFA's or rentals!
7 nov 2020 à 0 h 11
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
That offer isn't even close for Gaudreau. Starts with Suzuki/Kotki ++

Stop reading Eklund rumors as if they have even remotely any merit to them


BTW I don't read Eklund's crap this was in response to all of the Gaudreau proposals I saw here today.
7 nov 2020 à 0 h 19
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Quoting: Campabee
BTW I don't read Eklund's crap this was in response to all of the Gaudreau proposals I saw here today.


Well the are based off of a post by Eklund which was stated in most of the comment sections of the Gaudreau to Montreal threads. So regardless of whether you read what Eklund posted or are just following the sheep in front of you, you are spreading a rumor with zero credibility
7 nov 2020 à 1 h 29
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
Well the are based off of a post by Eklund which was stated in most of the comment sections of the Gaudreau to Montreal threads. So regardless of whether you read what Eklund posted or are just following the sheep in front of you, you are spreading a rumor with zero credibility


Ok whatever you say. Like I said at the beginning I was posting my opinion of what I would be willing to give up. I was not posing a trade just responding to a number of threads I had seen. I even said as much in the discription IF you had bothered to read it.
7 nov 2020 à 2 h 03
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Quoting: Campabee
Ok whatever you say. Like I said at the beginning I was posting my opinion of what I would be willing to give up. I was not posing a trade just responding to a number of threads I had seen. I even said as much in the discription IF you had bothered to read it.


Oh I read it, that's why I responded accordingly with my first comment.
7 nov 2020 à 8 h 24
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A bunch of scrubs for Johnny Gaudreau, And he walks home to Philly in 2 years as well. This was an Eklund rumor there's nothing linking Gaudreau to Montreal.
7 nov 2020 à 9 h 19
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Quoting: DiehardRedWingsFan58
A bunch of scrubs for Johnny Gaudreau, And he walks home to Philly in 2 years as well. This was an Eklund rumor there's nothing linking Gaudreau to Montreal.


You do realize don't you that one of those "scrubs" as you call him actually had more goals and more points than Gaudreau last year, is a better player in the defensive end of the rink, and cost 2 million less on the cap? Yes Tatar only has 1 year left on his contract, Gaudreau only has 2. Time to start evaluating possible trades based on current performance on the ice and cost of contract vs reputation and name recognition.
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