I think Dougie is a tough one to be that high. He's more a specialist rather than all around dman. Not that there is anything wrong with it, but for best 20 defenseman I think it should be factored in.

I would also say Shea Weber should be on here and I'd replace Ekholm with him. He has much more responsibility and Ekholm is more insulated with Ellis and Josi. Doughty off the list seems like a hit job lol. I'm not the biggest fan tbh, but he is an absolute horse. I would probably take Dougie right off the list. Any defensive situation and he would be last of everyone on this list I would pick even of the guys on the right except Fox. There's just not enough commitment and execution in his own zone for me. Fun debate though!

Hehe, we should combing Ottowa and Sabres...that would be a great team.

Hamilton playing with Slavin helps so much. Slavin is the better D imo. Werenski is helped playing with Jones. Theodore and Chabot didn’t play with elite Dmen and neither did Heiskanen or Hughes.

Solid, love comments like this man better than then normal this is bad or whatever, I agree with what you said about doughty...the hit job part🤣. I think Slavin should be above Dougie, but the part of the season Dougie played he was insane so I think he could continue it if he did continue his pace I still have him at the spot here that's why I was debating. I had Weber on and then I was like let's limit the hate and replace him with Reilly. John Carlson is kinda like that in terms of Dougie's play both so offensive

I like that Josi, Ellis, and Ekholm all made your list