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Nylander for Tkachuk Blockbuster

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Équipe: 2021-22 Maple Leafs de Toronto
Date de création initiale: 31 oct. 2020
Publié: 31 oct. 2020
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  1. Bennett, Sam [Droits de RFA]
  2. Giordano, Mark
  3. Tkachuk, Matthew
  4. Choix de 2e ronde en 2021 (CGY)
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CGY
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  2. Engvall, Pierre
  3. Holl, Justin
  4. Nylander, William
  5. Choix de 1e ronde en 2021 (TOR)
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    31 oct. 2020 à 11 h 55
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    Can’t see any motivation for Calgary here.
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    31 oct. 2020 à 11 h 57
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    Have fun
    31 oct. 2020 à 11 h 59
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    CGY laughs big time, you're not getting their best defensive d-man and their best forward for Nylander, scarps and a 1st
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    31 oct. 2020 à 12 h 0
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    im taking tkachuk over nylander anyday. not only can tkachuk score more, but he can skate better, hit better, fight better, play better on the boards, lead better, but is also 2 years younger.
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    31 oct. 2020 à 12 h 3
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    Leafs are in pretty good shape for exp draft, don't need jump through this many hoops.
    31 oct. 2020 à 12 h 4
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    Yeah CGY isn’t doing that. The value is so in TOR favor it is ridiculous
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    31 oct. 2020 à 12 h 13
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    Quoting: Price_is_the_goat
    im taking tkachuk over nylander anyday. not only can tkachuk score more, but he can skate better, hit better, fight better, play better on the boards, lead better, but is also 2 years younger.


    Hit better fight better, sure... skate better? Not by a long shot. Lead better? That seems a bit far fetched.
    31 oct. 2020 à 12 h 20
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    Quoting: Jamiepo
    Hit better fight better, sure... skate better? Not by a long shot. Lead better? That seems a bit far fetched.


    watch more flames games. he's better in every category
    31 oct. 2020 à 12 h 24
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    Quoting: Price_is_the_goat
    watch more flames games. he's better in every category


    I do watch them... all of them. Go to about 10-15 games a year... but please, go on.
    31 oct. 2020 à 12 h 25
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    Quoting: Price_is_the_goat
    im taking tkachuk over nylander anyday. not only can tkachuk score more, but he can skate better, hit better, fight better, play better on the boards, lead better, but is also 2 years younger.


    ----------------------------5v5 - last 82 games played------------------------------
    ----------Nylander - 1184:22:00 TOI | 21g 25a 46p | $6.960Mx5--------
    --------------Barzal - 1313:18:00 TOI | 14g 31a 45p | RFA-------------------
    -------M. Tkachuk - 1156:15:00 TOI | 18g 26a 44p | $7.000Mx3--------
    -------Pettersson - 1116:22::00 TOI | 18g 25a 43p | ELC-------------------
    ------------------Aho - 1142:28:00 TOI | 21g 20a 41p | $8.454Mx5--------
    ---------------Eichel - 1352:19:00 TOI | 20g 20a 40p | $10.0000Mx8-----
    ----------------Laine - 1232:31:00 TOI | 15g 22a 37p | $6.750Mx2--------
    ----------Rantanen - 1225:54:00 TOI | 15g 19a 34p | $9.250Mx6--------
    ---------------------------------stop trading nylander--------------------------------
    31 oct. 2020 à 12 h 25
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    Quoting: Jamiepo
    I do watch them... all of them. Go to about 10-15 games a year... but please, go on.


    than you need wear glasses. if those don't work, sit closer in the stands, if that doesn't work, watch tape and highlights. but please, go on...
    31 oct. 2020 à 12 h 25
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    Quoting: Lyle_Bubas
    ----------------------------5v5 - last 82 games played------------------------------
    ----------Nylander - 1184:22:00 TOI | 21g 25a 46p | $6.960Mx5--------
    --------------Barzal - 1313:18:00 TOI | 14g 31a 45p | RFA-------------------
    -------M. Tkachuk - 1156:15:00 TOI | 18g 26a 44p | $7.000Mx3--------
    -------Pettersson - 1116:22::00 TOI | 18g 25a 43p | ELC-------------------
    ------------------Aho - 1142:28:00 TOI | 21g 20a 41p | $8.454Mx5--------
    ---------------Eichel - 1352:19:00 TOI | 20g 20a 40p | $10.0000Mx8-----
    ----------------Laine - 1232:31:00 TOI | 15g 22a 37p | $6.750Mx2--------
    ----------Rantanen - 1225:54:00 TOI | 15g 19a 34p | $9.250Mx6--------
    ---------------------------------stop trading nylander--------------------------------


    great selective stats at 5v5. now do overall points!
    31 oct. 2020 à 12 h 27
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    Quoting: Price_is_the_goat
    than you need wear glasses. if those don't work, sit closer in the stands, if that doesn't work, watch tape and highlights. but please, go on...


    No I just don’t own your bias. I like both players and can see them for what they are.
    31 oct. 2020 à 12 h 29
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    I'd want tkachuk over nylander so a no from flames side for me
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    31 oct. 2020 à 12 h 32
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    Quoting: Price_is_the_goat
    great selective stats at 5v5. now do overall points!


    leafs played approximinately 85% of their total TOI at 5v5, but ok, I guess if that's too selective, we can measure across two seasons

    between 17-18 and 19-20 (bc nylander had an outlier year with missing half the season etc), Nylander had more takeaways, less giveaways, 6 less shot blocks, way less hits (prob means he had the puck more), more shots on net, drew a greater ratio of penalties than he took (didn't take many at all) esp when you consider a lot of Tkachuk's penalties drawn were because of fighting majors, had 4 more goals, 10 more primary assists, and 4 less secondary assists

    oh and he's taken 862 faceoffs and won 51% of them, Tkachuk has taken 21 and won 33% of them

    idk do I need to go on lol, Nylander is just as good if not better
    31 oct. 2020 à 12 h 32
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    Quoting: Theozler
    I'd want tkachuk over nylander so a no from flames side for me


    Both teams keep their player in this instance. Flames are not moving Tkachuk for any reason and leafs can’t afford his next contract.
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    31 oct. 2020 à 12 h 34
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    leafs played approximinately 85% of their total TOI at 5v5, but ok, I guess if that's too selective, we can measure across two seasons

    between 17-18 and 19-20 (bc nylander had an outlier year with missing half the season etc), Nylander had more takeaways, less giveaways, 6 less shot blocks, way less hits (prob means he had the puck more), more shots on net, drew a greater ratio of penalties than he took (didn't take many at all) esp when you consider a lot of Tkachuk's penalties drawn were because of fighting majors, had 4 more goals, 10 more primary assists, and 4 less secondary assists

    idk do I need to go on lol, Nylander is just as good if not better


    so you are vehmently saying that william nylander is better than matthew tkachuk. is that what you're saying? yes or no?
    31 oct. 2020 à 12 h 38
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    Quoting: Price_is_the_goat
    so you are vehmently saying that william nylander is better than matthew tkachuk. is that what you're saying? yes or no?


    i mean, according to the numbers yeah lol

    the only reason they are remotely close in stats is because tkachuk got more powerplay time (even then nylander is better in most categories), given nylander was on the second unit for most of the 17-18 season, but at 5v5 nylander is literally way better
    31 oct. 2020 à 12 h 40
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    Quoting: Price_is_the_goat
    so you are vehmently saying that william nylander is better than matthew tkachuk. is that what you're saying? yes or no?


    They are two completely different style of player. I don’t think they are far off value wise. But neither team is trading them.
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    31 oct. 2020 à 12 h 40
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    Quoting: Lyle_Bubas
    i mean, according to the numbers yeah lol

    the only reason they are remotely close in stats is because tkachuk got more powerplay time (even then nylander is better in most categories), given nylander was on the second unit for most of the 17-18 season, but at 5v5 nylander is literally way better


    this right here is why all fans agree that the leafs overrate their players by a mile. Im 100% sure if you were to ask anyone in professional hockey, such as a scout, gm, coach, or player, they'll take tkachuk over nylander in a heartbeat.
    31 oct. 2020 à 12 h 41
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    Quoting: Jamiepo
    They are two completely different style of player. I don’t think they are far off value wise. But neither team is trading them.


    ill agree with different players and the trades part!
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    31 oct. 2020 à 12 h 42
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    Quoting: Price_is_the_goat
    this right here is why all fans agree that the leafs overrate their players by a mile. Im 100% sure if you were to ask anyone in professional hockey, such as a scout, gm, coach, or player, they'll take tkachuk over nylander in a heartbeat.


    ik how silly we are to over rate our players based on their *checks notes* possession stats and point totals
    31 oct. 2020 à 12 h 43
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    Quoting: Jamiepo
    They are two completely different style of player. I don’t think they are far off value wise. But neither team is trading them.


    I agree, I'd love to have Tkachuk on my team, he's a great player, but like, idk, not at the price of Nylander. We can get somebody who bangs and crashes for a lot cheaper and keep Nylander lol. How many games does Tkachuk waste away in the penalty box because he got into a fight when he could be on the ice, scoring
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    31 oct. 2020 à 12 h 47
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    Quoting: Price_is_the_goat
    this right here is why all fans agree that the leafs overrate their players by a mile. Im 100% sure if you were to ask anyone in professional hockey, such as a scout, gm, coach, or player, they'll take tkachuk over nylander in a heartbeat.


    So your proof is to assume to know what other people think and use them as an authority?

    You have a hate on for nylander and leafs fans. You are biased... then try to put that in leafs fans.

    I love Tkachuk but I don’t want him in Toronto due to his contract and predatory play. He would be suspended most of the season in Toronto. To much of a microspope here. He also is set to walk himself to ufa. Nylander in Calgary is too soft. Doesn’t fit their style of play.

    How you don’t think the two are comarable in skill level is beyond me. Both put up simmalar numbers. One is a possession monster and the other is an instigator. They both bring their style of hockey.
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    31 oct. 2020 à 12 h 49
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    Quoting: Lyle_Bubas
    I agree, I'd love to have Tkachuk on my team, he's a great player, but like, idk, not at the price of Nylander. We can get somebody who bangs and crashes for a lot cheaper and keep Nylander lol. How many games does Tkachuk waste away in the penalty box because he got into a fight when he could be on the ice, scoring


    He would be suspended for more games than he would play in Toronto.
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