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Créé par: brady_t12
Équipe: 2020-21 Capitals de Washington
Date de création initiale: 30 oct. 2020
Publié: 30 oct. 2020
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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I’d be willing to add a bit more on the Calgary deal but I’m curious for feedback
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30 oct. 2020 à 15 h 58
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Flames decline. Dube showed he can be a good scorer and you’ll have to give up more than that to get him.
30 oct. 2020 à 15 h 59
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That's a firm no from Calgary imo. Jensen would be their 3rd best RD and Jonsson-Fjallby isn't that good.
30 oct. 2020 à 16 h 14
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Quoting: Pond_Duck
Flames decline. Dube showed he can be a good scorer and you’ll have to give up more than that to get him.


He was on pace for 29 points this year? do you think that is good?
30 oct. 2020 à 16 h 15
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That's a firm no from Calgary imo. Jensen would be their 3rd best RD and Jonsson-Fjallby isn't that good.


AFJ isnt that good? lol based off what? im generally interested in how you came to this conclusion. Do you know his playing style or anything besides points?
30 oct. 2020 à 16 h 22
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He was on pace for 29 points this year? do you think that is good?

Meant playoffs lol
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30 oct. 2020 à 16 h 24
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That's a firm no from Calgary imo. Jensen would be their 3rd best RD and Jonsson-Fjallby isn't that good.


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13gp 5g 2a 7point (4th overall 2020)
9gp 2g 5a 7 points (Jonsson-Fjallby)

he's 4 years older and that does matter but to blindly say " he's not that good" seems dumb.... he plays a really really strong 200 foot game. reminds me of Hags.
30 oct. 2020 à 16 h 24
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Meant playoffs lol


fair enough lol
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30 oct. 2020 à 16 h 35
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Horrible for Calgary
30 oct. 2020 à 16 h 44
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AFJ isnt that good? lol based off what? im generally interested in how you came to this conclusion. Do you know his playing style or anything besides points?


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13gp 5g 2a 7point (4th overall 2020)
9gp 2g 5a 7 points (Jonsson-Fjallby)

he's 4 years older and that does matter but to blindly say " he's not that good" seems dumb.... he plays a really really strong 200 foot game. reminds me of Hags.


Not that good doesn't mean bad, it means that he isn't good enough to land Dubé (along with Jensen). He's like Washington's 5th best prospect
30 oct. 2020 à 17 h 1
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Not that good doesn't mean bad, it means that he isn't good enough to land Dubé (along with Jensen). He's like Washington's 5th best prospect


lol not good is bad? idk thats confusing but i understand what you are saying. Dube has the potential to be really good but idk if he'll ever be more than a 3c but even if thats all he'll be its still worth more than Jensen imo
30 oct. 2020 à 17 h 3
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Dube is our best young NHLer, he's not getting traded
31 oct. 2020 à 0 h 48
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He was on pace for 29 points this year? do you think that is good?

For a 21 year old rookie playing in the bottom 6 with very little PP time, I'd it say it is pretty good actually.
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For a 21 year old rookie playing in the bottom 6 with very little PP time, I'd it say it is pretty good actually.


"Dube showed he can be a good scorer " imo a good scorer would produce at a higher rate than a bottom 6 forward. not saying he's bad/ that he wont improve just saying 29 points isnt good... more expected
31 oct. 2020 à 15 h 5
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"Dube showed he can be a good scorer " imo a good scorer would produce at a higher rate than a bottom 6 forward. not saying he's bad/ that he wont improve just saying 29 points isnt good... more expected

See, the problem is using ambiguous terms like good/bad. Because they mean different things to different people, because I would say meeting expectations is "good", especially with how high Flames fans are on Dube.

Regardless, the Flames don't even remotely consider this deal, it is awful for them. Dube is starting to show top 6 potential and entrenched himself in the middle 6 this year. Jensen's contract alone makes him a non-starter and even if we could afford him he's not worth Dube's potential to us and Axel definitely doesn't come close to closing that gap.

The only Jensen trade that remotely makes sense for Calgary is Derek Ryan and even though value wise it is a fit, contract wise due to term it isn't because adding a player with term could **** us when Dube and Valimaki are RFAs next off-season; and we really can't afford to lose another PK forward.
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See, the problem is using ambiguous terms like good/bad. Because they mean different things to different people, because I would say meeting expectations is "good", especially with how high Flames fans are on Dube.

Regardless, the Flames don't even remotely consider this deal, it is awful for them. Dube is starting to show top 6 potential and entrenched himself in the middle 6 this year. Jensen's contract alone makes him a non-starter and even if we could afford him he's not worth Dube's potential to us and Axel definitely doesn't come close to closing that gap.

The only Jensen trade that remotely makes sense for Calgary is Derek Ryan and even though value wise it is a fit, contract wise due to term it isn't because adding a player with term could **** us when Dube and Valimaki are RFAs next off-season; and we really can't afford to lose another PK forward.


Jensen
50.82CF.......50.51FF% ..........50.59xGF%

Hanifin
50.25CF% ....48.81FF% .....49.95xGF%

Andersson
51.45CF%.....51.24FF%.....52.99xGF%

Tanev
46.47CF%....47.43 FF%......48.16xGF%

Jensen based off possession and xGF% looks better most of the Flames Dmen....


Dube
46.78CF% ......46.31FF%...... 46.77xGF%
45gp 6g 10a 16p (.36ppg)
Panik
54.95CF%......53.36FF%........51.39xGF%
59gp 9g 13a 22p (.37ppg)

Most people on t his site considered Panik " bad" and his numbers are better than Dube.....
2 nov. 2020 à 23 h 42
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Jensen
50.82CF.......50.51FF% ..........50.59xGF%

Hanifin
50.25CF% ....48.81FF% .....49.95xGF%

Andersson
51.45CF%.....51.24FF%.....52.99xGF%

Tanev
46.47CF%....47.43 FF%......48.16xGF%

Jensen based off possession and xGF% looks better most of the Flames Dmen....


Dube
46.78CF% ......46.31FF%...... 46.77xGF%
45gp 6g 10a 16p (.36ppg)
Panik
54.95CF%......53.36FF%........51.39xGF%
59gp 9g 13a 22p (.37ppg)

Most people on t his site considered Panik " bad" and his numbers are better than Dube.....

That's wonderful, but quite frankly I think anyone who relies on analytics as their entire argument, isn't worth discussing anything with
2 nov. 2020 à 23 h 42
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Jensen
50.82CF.......50.51FF% ..........50.59xGF%

Hanifin
50.25CF% ....48.81FF% .....49.95xGF%

Andersson
51.45CF%.....51.24FF%.....52.99xGF%

Tanev
46.47CF%....47.43 FF%......48.16xGF%

Jensen based off possession and xGF% looks better most of the Flames Dmen....


Dube
46.78CF% ......46.31FF%...... 46.77xGF%
45gp 6g 10a 16p (.36ppg)
Panik
54.95CF%......53.36FF%........51.39xGF%
59gp 9g 13a 22p (.37ppg)

Most people on t his site considered Panik " bad" and his numbers are better than Dube.....

That's wonderful, but quite frankly I think anyone who relies on analytics as their entire argument, isn't worth discussing anything with
3 nov. 2020 à 11 h 20
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That's wonderful, but quite frankly I think anyone who relies on analytics as their entire argument, isn't worth discussing anything with


I think people who dont understand why they are important " isn't worth discussing anything with". lol im simply just showing you that Jensen in a down year had better numbers / things you dont account for than Tanev and Hanifin. i also used ppg to show that Dube is about as good as Panik.... he's much younger but need to take some dip off your chip... His xGF% isnt very good at all and his possession numbers are poor
3 nov. 2020 à 18 h 17
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I think people who dont understand why they are important " isn't worth discussing anything with". lol im simply just showing you that Jensen in a down year had better numbers / things you dont account for than Tanev and Hanifin. i also used ppg to show that Dube is about as good as Panik.... he's much younger but need to take some dip off your chip... His xGF% isnt very good at all and his possession numbers are poor


No, the problem is them being used as the entire argument because you've already shown you have never seen them play. Analytics are fine, but like anything they only paint part of the picture, anyone who can't see that ain't worth the powder to blow em to hell. Don't bother replying because I won't again
4 nov. 2020 à 13 h 36
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No, the problem is them being used as the entire argument because you've already shown you have never seen them play. Analytics are fine, but like anything they only paint part of the picture, anyone who can't see that ain't worth the powder to blow em to hell. Don't bother replying because I won't again


i didnt use them as my entire argument ….. i used points per game.... but yeah the "eye test" seem way more logical and intelligent. they paint part of a picture you refuse to acknowledge exists. " Dube is starting to show top 6 potential " lmfao he score 16 points this year. Mangiapane i can get on board with but Dube has shown hes a good bottom 6 forward. then you look at the things an "eye test" doesnt show you and he's just an okay bottom 6 forward. Seriously keep glorifying 1 playoffs season..... i bet you think DPS is amazing also lol . Dont be a caveman educate yourself on all areas of information available to you
 
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