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Équipe: 2020-21 Blackhawks de Chicago
Date de création initiale: 29 oct. 2020
Publié: 29 oct. 2020
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  1. Georgiev, Alexandar
  2. Lemieux, Brendan [Droits de RFA]
  3. Miller, K'Andre
  4. Strome, Ryan [Droits de RFA]
  5. Choix de 1e ronde en 2021 (NYR)
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29 oct. 2020 à 22 h 17
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Why are people so delusional to think Toews will return a 1st, a recent 1st round pick, a player that could probably land a 1st in a trade and other assets? Seriously people, pull your heads out of your asses. Toews will not get that kind of return
29 oct. 2020 à 22 h 17
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Rangers aren't interested in Toews or Kane.
29 oct. 2020 à 22 h 34
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Quoting: Lunatik
Why are people so delusional to think Toews will return a 1st, a recent 1st round pick, a player that could probably land a 1st in a trade and other assets? Seriously people, pull your heads out of your asses. Toews will not get that kind of return


I do not think it is delusional to expect a large return for Toews.
I'm not sure these are the right guys...but three years of an elite center would get a fairly sizable package.
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29 oct. 2020 à 22 h 36
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Quoting: Lunatik
Why are people so delusional to think Toews will return a 1st, a recent 1st round pick, a player that could probably land a 1st in a trade and other assets? Seriously people, pull your heads out of your asses. Toews will not get that kind of return


I disagree if heavy retention is involved. Hes a 1C with cup captain experience, agree or not nhl GMs will LOVE that. This one is too much tho
29 oct. 2020 à 22 h 45
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I do not think it is delusional to expect a large return for Toews.
I'm not sure these are the right guys...but three years of an elite center would get a fairly sizable package.


Toews is a very good player, but he is not elite anymore and at 32, there is far from a guarantee he'll be nearly as good in the final year of his deal.

And I'm not suggesting he won't get a good return, but no one gets the equivalent to 3 first rounders and then some. Think more along the lines of the Karlsson return, at best
29 oct. 2020 à 22 h 48
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Quoting: Lunatik
Toews is a very good player, but he is not elite anymore and at 32, there is far from a guarantee he'll be nearly as good in the final year of his deal.

And I'm not suggesting he won't get a good return, but no one gets the equivalent to 3 first rounders and then some. Think more along the lines of the Karlsson return, at best


Three first rounders (equivalent thereof) sounds about right to me.
29 oct. 2020 à 22 h 55
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Three first rounders (equivalent thereof) sounds about right to me.

you must be a delusional Hawks fan
29 oct. 2020 à 22 h 59
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Rangers aren't paying assets for aging players. They've publicly said so. Value wise it's not particularly close. Drop K'Andre and Georgiev and half retain on Toews and you're in the ballpark. Toews stopped playing D about 5 years ago.
30 oct. 2020 à 11 h 49
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you must be a delusional Hawks fan


Not a Hawks fan, don't think I am delusional.
Just a hockey fan
30 oct. 2020 à 17 h 54
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Not a Hawks fan, don't think I am delusional.
Just a hockey fan

What was the last player to get that kind of return in a trade?
30 oct. 2020 à 20 h 39
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What was the last player to get that kind of return in a trade?


When was the last player like Toews traded? With 3 years left nonetheless.
30 oct. 2020 à 20 h 44
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Never, because players like Toews have very little value.
30 oct. 2020 à 20 h 44
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When was the last player like Toews traded? With 3 years left nonetheless.


Never, because players like Toews have very little value.
31 oct. 2020 à 2 h 22
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Quoting: Lunatik
Toews is a very good player, but he is not elite anymore and at 32, there is far from a guarantee he'll be nearly as good in the final year of his deal.

And I'm not suggesting he won't get a good return, but no one gets the equivalent to 3 first rounders and then some. Think more along the lines of the Karlsson return, at best


Karlsson isn't a great comparison, he had one year left under contract and would be seeking 10M+ on his next contract. There really aren't going to be a lot of comparables for trading Toews.

In my eyes it depends on how the Rangers see themselves as far as window of Cup contention. If they see as starting in the next season or two, then yeah, giving up a late 1st, Strome (are we sure they like him as a player?), Miller and Georgiev isn't too high considering none of those 4 figure to help much if the window is now...especially if the Blackhawks retained some salary. If the window starts in two years, then hell no.
If Kakko and Lafreniere are great, when their ELC's are up they're probably not going to settle for bridge deals. They'll want 7M+. The cap gets trickier and a GM has less margin for error. That's why I think the return in a theoretical trade for Toews depends a lot on how a GM will see his team's window.

All that said, no team really has the cap space for Toews or Kane right now and I don't think the Blackhawks will trade either one of them so all these posts are kind of for fun or at least for discussion.
31 oct. 2020 à 2 h 22
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Quoting: Lunatik
Toews is a very good player, but he is not elite anymore and at 32, there is far from a guarantee he'll be nearly as good in the final year of his deal.

And I'm not suggesting he won't get a good return, but no one gets the equivalent to 3 first rounders and then some. Think more along the lines of the Karlsson return, at best


Karlsson isn't a great comparison, he had one year left under contract and would be seeking 10M+ on his next contract. There really aren't going to be a lot of comparables for trading Toews.

In my eyes it depends on how the Rangers see themselves as far as window of Cup contention. If they see as starting in the next season or two, then yeah, giving up a late 1st, Strome (are we sure they like him as a player?), Miller and Georgiev isn't too high considering none of those 4 figure to help much if the window is now...especially if the Blackhawks retained some salary. If the window starts in two years, then hell no.
If Kakko and Lafreniere are great, when their ELC's are up they're probably not going to settle for bridge deals. They'll want 7M+. The cap gets trickier and a GM has less margin for error. That's why I think the return in a theoretical trade for Toews depends a lot on how a GM will see his team's window.

All that said, no team really has the cap space for Toews or Kane right now and I don't think the Blackhawks will trade either one of them so all these posts are kind of for fun or at least for discussion.
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31 oct. 2020 à 4 h 11
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Never, because players like Toews have very little value.


Um, no. Sorry. Try again..
31 oct. 2020 à 5 h 50
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Karlsson isn't a great comparison, he had one year left under contract and would be seeking 10M+ on his next contract. There really aren't going to be a lot of comparables for trading Toews.

In my eyes it depends on how the Rangers see themselves as far as window of Cup contention. If they see as starting in the next season or two, then yeah, giving up a late 1st, Strome (are we sure they like him as a player?), Miller and Georgiev isn't too high considering none of those 4 figure to help much if the window is now...especially if the Blackhawks retained some salary. If the window starts in two years, then hell no.
If Kakko and Lafreniere are great, when their ELC's are up they're probably not going to settle for bridge deals. They'll want 7M+. The cap gets trickier and a GM has less margin for error. That's why I think the return in a theoretical trade for Toews depends a lot on how a GM will see his team's window.

All that said, no team really has the cap space for Toews or Kane right now and I don't think the Blackhawks will trade either one of them so all these posts are kind of for fun or at least for discussion.

So Karlsson isn't a good comparison because he had 1 year left and wanted the kind of money Toews is being paid through the entirety of his time with a new team.

It's not even about the Rangers, every Toews proposal is always 1st round pick, recent first round pick, player that is worth more than a first, plus, plus, plus.... etc. It's absolutely ridiculous. A Kalrsson return is about the best you get in today's NHL for any player. And if you think a 32 year old Toews with 3 years left at 10.5 is worth more than a prime Karlsson with 1 year at a decent cap hit and being open to re-signing, you are lying to yourself.
 
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