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Hanifin to BUF

Créé par: NeverEndingMisery
Équipe: 2020-21 Flames de Calgary
Date de création initiale: 27 oct. 2020
Publié: 27 oct. 2020
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
Ive seen a few Hanifin to Buffalo trade ideas on here from a buffalo perspective so I thought Id give it a shot from Calgary's side. (Feel free to give many any suggestions on the Return)

Buffalo Gets:
A young LHD on a friendly contract with term to add to their impressive crop of RHD

Calgary Gets:
A youngish RHD in Montour that should be able to complete a nice right side with Andersson and Tanev
A huge right shot forward in Thompson who hopefully can grow into a good middle 6 fwd
This move also allows kylington to step in to a permanent role
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  1. Montour, Brandon
  2. Thompson, Tage
  3. Choix de 4e ronde en 2021 (BUF)
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27 oct. 2020 à 16 h 46
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Hanifin is worth more
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sure
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Quoting: flamesfan
Hanifin is worth more


what do you think he would be worth?
27 oct. 2020 à 16 h 47
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No, we are not trading him for a RD who would be on our 3rd pair
27 oct. 2020 à 16 h 49
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Quoting: NeverEndingMisery
what do you think he would be worth?


Top six right winger
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27 oct. 2020 à 16 h 50
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Thompson...lol...he is a huge AHLer...they already have one in Buddy Robinson.
27 oct. 2020 à 16 h 51
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
No, we are not trading him for a RD who would be on our 3rd pair


I think I agree. After looking at the line combos now it basically just shifts their strength from the left side to the right side so it doesn't make much sense.
27 oct. 2020 à 16 h 52
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Quoting: flamesfan
Top six right winger


I guess it comes down to what you value more but i'd say a top 4 rhd is just as valuable as a top 6 rw (flames could certainly use the winger more tho)
27 oct. 2020 à 16 h 53
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
No, we are not trading him for a RD who would be on our 3rd pair


Montour > Tanev, plus you'll need someone to cover the 50 games Tanev will miss anyway
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27 oct. 2020 à 17 h 9
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Over cap
27 oct. 2020 à 17 h 19
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Quoting: Shibbal18
Montour > Tanev, plus you'll need someone to cover the 50 games Tanev will miss anyway


ok and 4 years of Hanifin >>>>>>>>> 1 year of Montour...

Thompson and a 4th isn't nearly enough to make up the difference. Also Montour hasn't been "better" than Tanev since his Anaheim days when Vancouver was still rebuilding
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27 oct. 2020 à 17 h 20
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Quoting: flamesfan
Hanifin is worth more


Ehhh. Not really
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27 oct. 2020 à 17 h 31
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
ok and 4 years of Hanifin >>>>>>>>> 1 year of Montour...

Thompson and a 4th isn't nearly enough to make up the difference. Also Montour hasn't been "better" than Tanev since his Anaheim days when Vancouver was still rebuilding


Sign Montour to an extension¯\_ (ツ)_/¯. Yes Montour has been better. Tanev is over rated
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27 oct. 2020 à 17 h 40
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Sign Montour to an extension¯\_ (ツ)_/¯. Yes Montour has been better. Tanev is over rated


Can't sign him to an extension yet, he just signed his 1 year deal. That deal also walks him to UFA, I will happily keep Hanifin who is younger, better and guaranteed not walking next year any day of the week. Tanev is not overrated, he is purely a defensive dman of similar caliber to Hjalmarsson. Montour is "ok" defensively but not great.
27 oct. 2020 à 17 h 56
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Just do Hanifin for Montour and a 2nd since youre over the cap
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27 oct. 2020 à 18 h 40
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
No, we are not trading him for a RD who would be on our 3rd pair


He'll be 2nd pair , Tanev will be in the press box nursing his inevitable injury
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27 oct. 2020 à 18 h 41
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Sign Montour to an extension¯\_ (ツ)_/¯. Yes Montour has been better. Tanev is over rated


Tanev isn't overrated he's simply unreliable - his style of play causes his injury history and without that style of play he's overrated
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28 oct. 2020 à 12 h 45
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Quoting: flamesfan
Hanifin is worth more


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sure


Quoting: NeverEndingMisery
what do you think he would be worth?


Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
No, we are not trading him for a RD who would be on our 3rd pair


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Thompson...lol...he is a huge AHLer...they already have one in Buddy Robinson.


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Over cap


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Ehhh. Not really


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Just do Hanifin for Montour and a 2nd since youre over the cap


Quoting: Boomer125
Tanev isn't overrated he's simply unreliable - his style of play causes his injury history and without that style of play he's overrated


Some fun facts to consider.
Hanifin has been playing for a MUCH better team that last 3 years.
Hanifin has 87 pts and 20 goals +/- -14 and Montour has 85 pts and 22 goals +/- -7
Hanifin is more physical and hits more.
Hanifin scores less on a much better team with a worse +/-

Please give it your best shot now to convince me who is the better of the two.
One is left handed, one is right handed.
Buffalo may over pay to balance the pairings.
Oh yes let me add, last year Montour had the best +/- among all Buffalo skaters and only Ristolainen had a higher TOI/gm.
I should also add that Montour played about 65% of the time on his off wing, seriously impacting his performance.
28 oct. 2020 à 13 h 27
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Quoting: gretzkyghosts
Some fun facts to consider.
Hanifin has been playing for a MUCH better team that last 3 years.
Hanifin has 87 pts and 20 goals +/- -14 and Montour has 85 pts and 22 goals +/- -7
Hanifin is more physical and hits more.
Hanifin scores less on a much better team with a worse +/-

Please give it your best shot now to convince me who is the better of the two.
One is left handed, one is right handed.
Buffalo may over pay to balance the pairings.
Oh yes let me add, last year Montour had the best +/- among all Buffalo skaters and only Ristolainen had a higher TOI/gm.
I should also add that Montour played about 65% of the time on his off wing, seriously impacting his performance.


+/- is a garbage stat
28 oct. 2020 à 16 h 6
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Quoting: DaBus
Just do Hanifin for Montour and a 2nd since youre over the cap


This is what I was about to say.

Hanifin is definitely a good target for the Sabres. A middle pairing offensive lefty makes perfect sense for us, and Hanifin's term would be nice because we don't have any prospects likely to fill that role any time soon.

I still don't know if it ultimately makes sense for Calgary because it leaves the left side lacking on NHL experience after Gio. There's certainly upside, but it's still a question mark.

Andersson-Montour-Tanev is a really nice group on the right side, and that protects you for if Tanev gets injured at some point. I can see it both ways.

It's certainly a risk. I think this sort of trade pays off if Valimaki develops like people hope. But if he falters a bit, you're looking real dry on the left. Montour can play the left side in a pinch, but that's obviously less than ideal if you're moving a true LHD to get him.
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28 oct. 2020 à 16 h 38
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Quoting: gretzkyghosts
Some fun facts to consider.
Hanifin has been playing for a MUCH better team that last 3 years.
Hanifin has 87 pts and 20 goals +/- -14 and Montour has 85 pts and 22 goals +/- -7
Hanifin is more physical and hits more.
Hanifin scores less on a much better team with a worse +/-

Please give it your best shot now to convince me who is the better of the two.
One is left handed, one is right handed.
Buffalo may over pay to balance the pairings.
Oh yes let me add, last year Montour had the best +/- among all Buffalo skaters and only Ristolainen had a higher TOI/gm.
I should also add that Montour played about 65% of the time on his off wing, seriously impacting his performance.


Thanks for your fun facts!
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28 oct. 2020 à 16 h 53
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Quoting: flamesfan
+/- is a garbage stat


How about pts?
How about goals?
How about Montour had the BEST +/- of ALL Buffalo skaters?
How about Hanifin played with stronger team mates.
How about Montour played off wing last year.
How about Montour was one of seven Buffalo skater who had their worse career years (Okposo, Sheary, Rodrigues, Miller, Vesey and Skinner)
How about playing his off wing his pt/min were higher than Hanifin 1.0 v 0.9
How about Hanifin got nearly double the PP time that Montour had and 5 of his pts were off of the PP v 2 for Montour.
If you think "+/- is a garbage stat" is a STRONG argument why Hanifin is better than Montour, try again.
You have offered nothing to prove that.
28 oct. 2020 à 22 h 24
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How about pts?
How about goals?
How about Montour had the BEST +/- of ALL Buffalo skaters?
How about Hanifin played with stronger team mates.
How about Montour played off wing last year.
How about Montour was one of seven Buffalo skater who had their worse career years (Okposo, Sheary, Rodrigues, Miller, Vesey and Skinner)
How about playing his off wing his pt/min were higher than Hanifin 1.0 v 0.9
How about Hanifin got nearly double the PP time that Montour had and 5 of his pts were off of the PP v 2 for Montour.
If you think "+/- is a garbage stat" is a STRONG argument why Hanifin is better than Montour, try again.
You have offered nothing to prove that.


I never said that +/- is the reason that hanifin is betterall I said is that it is a garbage stat. hanifin is better because he has had More points every year except one where they tied and montour is way more injury prone he has only played 65+ games once in his career and hanifin has player 70+ every year also montour would be on the flames bottom pair and hanifin would be on the second or top pairing and hanifin is 3 years younger. the flames would never ever ever ever trade hanifin for montour
29 oct. 2020 à 0 h 51
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Quoting: gretzkyghosts
How about pts?
How about goals?
How about Montour had the BEST +/- of ALL Buffalo skaters?
How about Hanifin played with stronger team mates.
How about Montour played off wing last year.
How about Montour was one of seven Buffalo skater who had their worse career years (Okposo, Sheary, Rodrigues, Miller, Vesey and Skinner)
How about playing his off wing his pt/min were higher than Hanifin 1.0 v 0.9
How about Hanifin got nearly double the PP time that Montour had and 5 of his pts were off of the PP v 2 for Montour.
If you think "+/- is a garbage stat" is a STRONG argument why Hanifin is better than Montour, try again.
You have offered nothing to prove that.


How about you just keep Montour!
29 oct. 2020 à 9 h 9
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Quoting: flamesfan
I never said that +/- is the reason that hanifin is betterall I said is that it is a garbage stat. hanifin is better because he has had More points every year except one where they tied and montour is way more injury prone he has only played 65+ games once in his career and hanifin has player 70+ every year also montour would be on the flames bottom pair and hanifin would be on the second or top pairing and hanifin is 3 years younger. the flames would never ever ever ever trade hanifin for montour


Quoting: InTreWeTrust
How about you just keep Montour!


I have no problem keeping Montour.
I have made a very strong case why Hanifin is not >>>>>>> than Montour.
To get Hanifin Buffalo would need to add, but to say Thompson or a second is not enough is absolutely ridiculous.
 
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