Cup winners, right here.

they wouldn't trade him for anything less than he's worth just to offload his 8.5M.

Not sure about that. In regular times I’d agree, but cap space is king in these Covid times. The $8.5 mil in cap space allows them to sign Sergachev long term, or perhaps is enough for Cirelli and Cernak.

So the deal essentially is a former 1st, 2 x 2nds, and the ability to sign some of their RFAs.

At very least the team is well on its way to completing the foundation of perpetual playoff contenders.

Lol, for Logan brown and 2nd round picks..lol. I think you start with T.Stuetzle and a 1st round pick. Atleast J.Sanderson and another prospect and a 1st round pick.

Under regular circumstances yes. But TB is against the cap with 3 top RFAs to sign. They have an embarrassment of riches at centre with Point, Cirelli, Johnson, Gourde, Paquette. And they just won the Cup without Stamkos.

The freeing up of cash is TB #1 priority (see Johnson being out on waivers).

I look at the deal as a former 1st, 2 x 2nds, Pirelli and Cernak. Or a former 1st, 2 x 2nds, and Sergachev.

I don't think he's worth as much as you think.
He's a solid player I will give you that. But who has cap to take him? That become the big question. If they moved him earlier maybe you could have had team like CBJ in on it. But when you wait and everyone spends cap.....there is less opportunity. Which becomes the issue.

I think the reality is, they would rather lose Cirelli or Cernak or both before him.
I'm not saying that is right or wrong. But I think that is the internal decision. I mean Cirelli is a 20 goal guy. Stamkos is a 40 goal guy. That's that.

I mean I think if he was made available CBJ would still want in on him. As would a number of teams

Just not good enough. Some young guys need two years to become top flight players.

No doubt in regular times 30 other teams would want in. But according to Cap Friendly’s calculations 21 of 31 teams don’t have the cap space to take on Stamkos’ salary. I’m sure LTIR adds a few more teams, but over 90% of league cap space is already accounted for.

I mean, they are getting back an nhl ready prospect, a top prospect, and a 1st round pick though. For sure. For a 31 year old, superstar (turns 31 in February, so actually 30). Prime is 26-32 years old. How old are u?? I’m guessing not 32 yet??

And now with all the advancements in the last 10 years in recovery. You can probably add onto that.

Any team would give up a young NHL ready player and their top prospect and a 1st round pick for him. Every team has those guys. All 32 teams. And none of them are Steven Stamkos.

He’s still a top 10-12 forward in the NHL.

nah hes not worth that

Like I said, read 2 posts b4 yours.

Im not trading a career (hopefully) of tim stutzle and a top 5 pick for 4-6 years of what will be a realisitcally declining steven stamkos. Leafs wouldnt move nylander in a package for petrangelo when he was still 28 and the leafs passed. Stammer is a fantastic player, but the value you're giving him lies in the fact you think he'll continue to be an elite producer until he's 38, but eitherway hes a UFA in 4 years and everything past that is hypothetical. The lightining are cap strapped as they come and he would definitely come with a discount if they were more concerned with signing cireilli and sergachev to actual deals

Devils decline

Truthfully, I think the Sens should offer sheet Cernak or Cirelli. Good on Tampa for winning the Cup but they brought this cap issue on to themselves with the number of no trade clauses they gave to their players.

The economics of the NHL has changed in the past 6 months. Look at the free agent market this summer. And the lack of cap space league wide. Your valuation of Stamkos is 100% correct if not for the economic and cap realities that a Covid brought.

The NFL and College football is already letting stadiums have fans brought back. If there isn’t a vaccine by next October I’d be surprised. Who knows though..?? Everyone thought s**t would be back to normal 4 months ago. But it’s not like the Flat cap is here to stay forever? I’m sure the Players union will have something to say after this year.

So you sell your superstar low then? The player that brings in the most money to the team?? That doesn’t make sense to me? Or do u budget your cap elsewhere?

totally agree!

flat cap isint here to stay forever but it will probably have an effect over at least the 4 years remanining on stammers contract

Good luck man. I’ll take the known best player, superstar,100 point scorer, over a young NHL ready player, a prospect like J.Sanderson, (who I think Drysdale is better but that’s another conversation) and a 1st round pick. Maybe the Sens say no to the Stuetzle and a 1st. But everyday of the week, I’d trade, Logan Brown OR Batherson, and J.Sanderson and a 1st.(a top 10 protected 1st though, or lottery protected) You can’t trade away a top 3-5 pick.

You can’t trade for Stamkos either though unless it’s gonna take your team over the hump. Either the play-off hump. Or you are a play-off team and think hes gonna get u over that hump. Yes, if the Sens don’t think he’s gonna get you over a hump then why are we even talking? That’s just stupid? If u think WITH him you are still gonna have a 3-4 pick next year?? Then why would u want him? That’s so dumb? You should be trading for youth assets and picks. What are we even talking about then??

And Tampa Bay would have to be blowing it up to trade Stamkos? to take back young assets, and a 1st round pick.

Cause the team trading for would ask to retain some money too. Like Trading Towes or Kane.

I don’t think so. But Maybe, so they will go for it then and cut budget/cap elsewhere rather than sell low on their superstar. Especially a year after winning the cup. Read the post b4, this hypothetical isn’t even worth it. TB isn’t trading Stamkos for young assets and a 1st round pick unless they are blowing it up anyways.

I’ll agree with that over trading for Stamkos. I like Sergachev as well. But offer them over 4.36M is gonna cost a 1st and a 3rd round pick too.

Last I heard too, Kilborn is gonna get traded. I still think the Pens will take Tyler Johnson if the lightning retain 50% salary. Not for sure obviously, But I hope they would.

statistically forwards peek at 27. Some a little later but for the most part it's earlier than 30. So I don't count the 30+ years as prime. Are they still good, yeah, but they are slowing and stats are typically in decline at that point. The really bad thing about aging forwards is they decline faster than defense men.
Also not everyone can extend and the old ways of hockey aka guys playing well into their 30s is coming to an end. Players slow down by the time they are at 33-34. Modern what ever doesn't stop guys from slowing down. There is only so much you can do with losing steps. People hit their physical peek at 24-25. Now that can change for some people who do nothing early in life and something later. But biologically studies have shown that's when your body starts to throttle down. Which when you look at the rest of the stats it starts to make sense why players statistically peek at 27. You got a physical peek and experience peek. Then it's down hill. Experience will only make you so much better and the decline catches up.
Even Bergeron who in all regards was a great player in his youth, is slowing. He can't play his old game aka 200 feet shut down guy. He gets his starts in the Ozone now and has for several years, mainly due to his legs not keeping up with his old game. He was 34 this year.
Is he still a good center, yeah, but he's a shell of his former self who use to play a great 200 foot game starting in the Dzone most shifts. So I think you get 2-3 good years out of Stamkos. By the time you hit 34 the decline is noticeable on almost all players.
Which is why I think the asking price is way to high on what you are asking. Especially in this market. You might get a late 1st and a player/prospect of some regard. But OTT might be a pretty high 1st round pick. And I don't see him returning that. Especially on a team that for all intent is not competing for a cup in that window.
Stamkos is a really solid player but no one is confusing him with a generational talent. Odds are he declines like everyone else.
I could see him getting a 20 goal guy on a small contract and some 2nd round picks/ B+ prospects.
But a huge return I don't think so. He's too old to bring that back. Much like teams probably aren't dishing out that much For a 33 year old Crosby. which is why it will never be worth it to trade him.
Which is why I think TB did the math and said, it's easier to lose a 20 goal forward than a guy who can net you 40 even if he only has a few years left in the tank.