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Stamkos or the Shrimps

Créé par: BOLTLOVER1
Équipe: 2020-21 Lightning de Tampa Bay
Date de création initiale: 23 oct. 2020
Publié: 23 oct. 2020
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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The way I see it .. there are 3 options for Tampa who need to free up roughly $10M to sign the 3 RFAs who ARE the priority make NO mistake about that.

1. Trade TJ and Gourde .. the "homerun" .
Will cost us draft picks and prospects.
2. Trade Killorn and 1 of TJ/Gourde .. Killorn leaving hurts the team
3. Stamkos to LTIR and and trade TJ/Gourde and retain salary if need be and Stamkos back for playoffs

I say door #3 to buy time given uncertainty of season length and trade TJ and /or Gourde

Real problem is money for NEXT year .. another additional $8 Mish for Coleman and Goodrow with no major contracts ending
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23 oct. 2020 à 6 h 16
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Tampa's bigger problem is finding the teams that those guys would be willing to waive their NTCs for while actually being able to afford them. I can't see those two agreeing to waive from literally the best team in the league to one of worst teams in the league...even if they were the ones with the money to bring them in.
23 oct. 2020 à 7 h 19
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Yanni Gourde

Rule #1, if your undrafted player breaks out in his first full season, at 26, playing on a great team with great support, don't sign him for 6 years @ $5.167MM per season. Give him a bridge deal of 1-2 years and see if he can do it again. We'll call it the Cory Conacher rule.

Ottawa declines this trade offer.
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23 oct. 2020 à 7 h 45
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Yanni Gourde

Rule #1, if your undrafted player breaks out in his first full season, at 26, playing on a great team with great support, don't sign him for 6 years @ $5.167MM per season. Give him a bridge deal of 1-2 years and see if he can do it again. We'll call it the Cory Conacher rule.

Ottawa declines this trade offer.


Actually Tampa did just that. Problem was that Gourde started to flourish just during that said bridge deal, meaning that yet another bridge deal wasn't a realistic option...
23 oct. 2020 à 7 h 56
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Actually Tampa did just that. Problem was that Gourde started to flourish just during that said bridge deal, meaning that yet another bridge deal wasn't a realistic option...


Gourde NEVER broke out .. played 1st/2nd line where a chimp could excel with Point and Kuch .. Gourde is a low skill great hustling 3rd/4th line grinder .. TOTAL 100% contract error by JBB .. one of few to be fair..

I laugh at people here still thinking TJ and players have a choice with NTCs .. world is different now and will be worse in 2021 .. anyone can be waived with a NTC .. why Gourde hasn't been waived yet is beyond me .. only difference I see is TJ isn't coming back and to waive someone says we don't want you under any circumstances .. so waive TJ this year and waive Gourde next year could be the approach
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Gourde NEVER broke out .. played 1st/2nd line where a chimp could excel with Point and Kuch .. Gourde is a low skill great hustling 3rd/4th line grinder .. TOTAL 100% contract error by JBB .. one of few to be fair..

I laugh at people here still thinking TJ and players have a choice with NTCs .. world is different now and will be worse in 2021 .. anyone can be waived with a NTC .. why Gourde hasn't been waived yet is beyond me .. only difference I see is TJ isn't coming back and to waive someone says we don't want you under any circumstances .. so waive TJ this year and waive Gourde next year could be the approach


Honestly they would've already be traded if it was so easy to move a guy with full NTC, but that doesn't seem to be the case. Can't really think of other reasons why they're still in the team.

Tampa already tried waiving Johnson...no one took him.

Also Gourde would've walked if he didn't get that money. Scoring 112 points in 162 games while averaging around 13 minutes a night during that bridge contract sealed that deal. Keeping him might've been the mistake, but the money was well deserved.
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Quoting: sensibleguy
Yanni Gourde

Rule #1, if your undrafted player breaks out in his first full season, at 26, playing on a great team with great support, don't sign him for 6 years @ $5.167MM per season. Give him a bridge deal of 1-2 years and see if he can do it again. We'll call it the Cory Conacher rule.

Ottawa declines this trade offer.


Gourde did it again though. 2nd season similar to first, a bit less TOI and 2nd assists. His 3rd season?

His primary linemates went from Point, Palat, etc. to

Paquette, Maroon, Verhaeghe, Stephens, etc.

Less TOI and fewer gp so everything was tougher

Conacher was a good NHLer from 23 to 27 too
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Gourde did it again though. 2nd season similar to first, a bit less TOI and 2nd assists. His 3rd season?

His primary linemates went from Point, Palat, etc. to

Paquette, Maroon, Verhaeghe, Stephens, etc.

Less TOI and fewer gp so everything was tougher

Conacher was a good NHLer from 23 to 27 too


Your post proves mine .. Gourde worthless without good line mates to carry him .. he was God AWFUL this year 20 something points .. BUT "magically" played well in playoffs when Coleman and Goodrow were acquired...hmm .
.what is the common denominator .. Gourde just a run-of-the-mill forward and should have contract like Paquette
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Tyler johnson + 1st + foote is prob closer to what it costs
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Yanni Gourde

Rule #1, if your undrafted player breaks out in his first full season, at 26, playing on a great team with great support, don't sign him for 6 years @ $5.167MM per season. Give him a bridge deal of 1-2 years and see if he can do it again. We'll call it the Cory Conacher rule.

Ottawa declines this trade offer.


Very well said. I would give you (2) "likes" if I could.
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What about option #4???

It seems that Stamkos has had more injury problems of late, and is becoming more unreliable from that standpoint.
He is 30 and signed for 4 more years...the chances of him missing significant time for injuries down the road increases considerably.
Trading Stamkos while he still has a high perceived value.
I realize he has a NMC, but it may be easier to find somebody who would take a chance on him (at his term and salary, given his injury status).
(Stamkos has meant a lot to TB, but could still reasonably be moved as he has not yet reached "Franchise" status like Crosby in Pittsburgh or Ovi in Washington)

This would free up almost enough space (will probably still need to waive or unload one of TJ, Gourde, Killorn, or Palat).
Cirelli could then be signed and play 2C behind Point at 1C.
Just a thought.
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What about option #4???

It seems that Stamkos has had more injury problems of late, and is becoming more unreliable from that standpoint.
He is 30 and signed for 4 more years...the chances of him missing significant time for injuries down the road increases considerably.
Trading Stamkos while he still has a high perceived value.
I realize he has a NMC, but it may be easier to find somebody who would take a chance on him (at his term and salary, given his injury status).
(Stamkos has meant a lot to TB, but could still reasonably be moved as he has not yet reached "Franchise" status like Crosby in Pittsburgh or Ovi in Washington)

This would free up almost enough space (will probably still need to waive or unload one of TJ, Gourde, Killorn, or Palat).
Cirelli could then be signed and play 2C behind Point at 1C.
Just a thought.


I am 100% in agreement with you on trading Stamkos as I have been harping for a YEAR to do this .. we won Cup without him as proof .. problem now is his injury and what he worth.. last year we could have got 2 #1s and had NO cap issues as his cap would cover Serg and Cirelli.. ugh
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Honestly they would've already be traded if it was so easy to move a guy with full NTC, but that doesn't seem to be the case. Can't really think of other reasons why they're still in the team.

Tampa already tried waiving Johnson...no one took him.

Also Gourde would've walked if he didn't get that money. Scoring 112 points in 162 games while averaging around 13 minutes a night during that bridge contract sealed that deal. Keeping him might've been the mistake, but the money was well deserved.


Gourde signed the contract on Nov 2, 2018, after the one season, and 12 games into the second full season

17/18 in 82 games, 25G 39A 64P
18/19 in 12 games, 4G 8A 12P

Since the signing

18/19 in 68 games, 18G 18A 36P
19/20 in 70 games, 10G 20A 30P
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Modifié 23 oct. 2020 à 15 h 28
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Gourde signed the contract on Nov 2, 2018, after the one season, and 12 games into the second full season

17/18 in 82 games, 25G 39A 64P
18/19 in 12 games, 4G 8A 12P

Since the signing

18/19 in 68 games, 18G 18A 36P
19/20 in 70 games, 10G 20A 30P


YUP .. Why on God's good earth do you give a 6 year $33M NTC contrcat to a 27 year old rookie who played ONE friggen year with Point and Kuch!!!!! ... baffles me .. and we started paying for the mistake last year losing JT Miller to cap .. he only had.like 90 pts this year.. better not be Killorn this year.. just waive Gourde!!!!
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YUP .. Why on God's good earth do you give a 6 year $33M NTC contrcat to a 27 year old rookie who played ONE friggen year with Point and Kuch!!!!! ... baffles me .. and we started paying for the mistake last year losing JT Miller to cap .. he only had.like 90 pts this year.. better not be Killorn this year.. just waive Gourde!!!!


As usual, you're wrong. Gourde has played completely to his contract aside from this year when he was relegated to 3rd and 4th line minutes. He scored 11 points in 16 games when put on the 2nd line then drove the 2nd most important line in the playoffs. Tampa has no interest in moving him this offseason aside from last resort territory. Oh and Miller was never scoring close to what he did in Vancouver in Tampa. What a coincidence, when playing here on the 3rd and 4tb line he wasn't an offensive juggernaut, then playing with guys like Border, EP etc he goes ppg. It's almost like regardless of location, if you play with superstars you score more points, what a revelation. You're apathy for Gourde is truly pathetic at this point. You don't have one good idea, nor have you have ever to my recollection, on actually improving Tampa. Thankfully most people on here are wise to your schtick, and rarely pay you any heed.
 
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