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Who Won this trade

Créé par: Shifttee
Date de création initiale: oct 16, 2020
Publié: 19 oct 2020 à 17 h 42
Équipe: 2020-21 Hurricanes de la Caroline
Transactions
CAR
  1. Fox, Adam
NYR
  1. Rees, Jamieson
  2. Gunler, Noel
  3. Honka, Anttoni
Détails additionnels:
This is what the NYR draft picks turned into from the fox trade
Rachats de contrats
  • Alexander Semin: 2 333 333 $
  • Patrick Marleau: 0 $
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
2021
CAR
CAR
CAR
CAR
CAR
CAR
LAK
STL
2022
CAR
CAR
CAR
CAR
CAR
CAR
CAR
2023
CAR
CAR
CAR
CAR
CAR
CAR
CAR
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2181 500 000 $78 112 322 $1 367 073 $4 057 500 $3 387 678 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
CAR
Svechnikov, Andrei
925 000 $
AG, AD
RFA - 1
CAR
Aho, Sebastian
8 460 250 $
C, AG
UFA - 4
CAR
Teräväinen, Teuvo
5 400 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 4
CAR
Niederreiter, Nino
5 250 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 2
CAR
Staal, Jordan
6 000 000 $
C, AG
NMC
UFA - 3
CAR
Necas, Martin
863 333 $
C, AD
RFA - 2
CAR
Dzingel, Ryan
3 375 000 $
AG, AD, C
UFA - 1
CAR
Trocheck, Vincent
4 750 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 2
CAR
Fast, Jesper
2 000 000 $
AD
UFA - 3
CAR
McGinn, Brock
2 100 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
CAR
Geekie, Morgan
763 333 $
C, AD
RFA - 1
CAR
Martinook, Jordan
2 000 000 $
C, AG, AD
UFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
CAR
Slavin, Jaccob
5 300 000 $
DG
UFA - 5
CAR
Hamilton, Dougie
5 750 000 $
DD
UFA - 1
CAR
Reimer, James
3 400 000 $
G
UFA - 1
CAR
Skjei, Brady
5 250 000 $
DG
UFA - 4
CAR
Pesce, Brett
4 025 000 $
DD
UFA - 4
CAR
Mrázek, Petr
3 125 000 $
G
UFA - 1
CAR
Gardiner, Jake
4 050 000 $
DG
NTC
UFA - 3
NYR
Fox, Adam
925 000 $
DD
RFA - 2
CAR
Ryan, Joakim
700 000 $
DG
UFA - 1

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19 oct 2020 à 17 h 42
#1
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It is hard to say NYR didn't win this trade flat out, Fox looked like a legit top 4 d-man as a rookie
(and giving up 2 seconds for him was a win, COL paid 2 seconds for D.Toews, personally I like Fox better)

With that aside:

The return on Fox alone was pretty great for a guy that wouldn't sign with us,
But actually seeing the pieces it turned into, is kind of phenominal.

Carolina has had one of the best overall drafts 2 years running, and now is top 5 deepest prospect pools hands down.
And this trade was legitamately a huge part of that.

(and yes, they're just prospects, and maybe all 3 flop at the NHL level)

But this is pretty nice now that we can see what we actually got for Fox.
niko et DoubleADoubleK a aimé ceci.
19 oct 2020 à 17 h 43
#2
User TitleFlair
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Time will tell but probably the Rangers
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19 oct 2020 à 17 h 45
#3
Formerly Jamiepo
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Quoting: Shifttee
It is hard to say NYR didn't win this trade flat out, Fox looked like a legit top 4 d-man as a rookie
(and giving up 2 seconds for him was a win, COL paid 2 seconds for D.Toews, personally I like Fox better)

With that aside:

The return on Fox alone was pretty great for a guy that wouldn't sign with us,
But actually seeing the pieces it turned into, is kind of phenominal.

Carolina has had one of the best overall drafts 2 years running, and now is top 5 deepest prospect pools hands down.
And this trade was legitamately a huge part of that.

(and yes, they're just prospects, and maybe all 3 flop at the NHL level)

But this is pretty nice now that we can see what we actually got for Fox.


Rangers 100%. Unfortunately canes lost when they drafted fox, no fault of their own.
19 oct 2020 à 17 h 46
#4
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Quoting: Shifttee
It is hard to say NYR didn't win this trade flat out, Fox looked like a legit top 4 d-man as a rookie
(and giving up 2 seconds for him was a win, COL paid 2 seconds for D.Toews, personally I like Fox better)

With that aside:

The return on Fox alone was pretty great for a guy that wouldn't sign with us,
But actually seeing the pieces it turned into, is kind of phenominal.

Carolina has had one of the best overall drafts 2 years running, and now is top 5 deepest prospect pools hands down.
And this trade was legitamately a huge part of that.

(and yes, they're just prospects, and maybe all 3 flop at the NHL level)

But this is pretty nice now that we can see what we actually got for Fox.

Exactly this, it’s too early to know what the canes actually have. All 3 are great prospects but they are jsut prospects. It’s more than likely that Fox is the best player in the deal
19 oct 2020 à 17 h 47
#5
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Quoting: Jamiepo
Rangers 100%. Unfortunately canes lost when they drafted fox, no fault of their own.


They didn't draft Fox, you're a Flames fan you should know that
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19 oct 2020 à 17 h 48
#6
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Quoting: Jamiepo
Rangers 100%. Unfortunately canes lost when they drafted fox, no fault of their own.

Fox was part of the Hamilton deal they did not draft him. Unfortunately it wouldn’t have mattered what team that drafted fox, he was only going to play for the rangers. Whether players should be allowed to do this so easily is another conversation
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19 oct 2020 à 17 h 48
#7
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
They didn't draft Fox, you're a Flames fan you should know that


Lol, yup my bad.
19 oct 2020 à 17 h 51
#8
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Quoting: etpeck
Fox was part of the Hamilton deal they did not draft him. Unfortunately it wouldn’t have mattered what team that drafted fox, he was only going to play for the rangers. Whether players should be allowed to do this so easily is another conversation


Yup, I agreesomething should be done about signing window for players in school.
19 oct 2020 à 18 h 04
#9
Big Buch Energy
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Tough to say. I think Rangers got the best player but considering Fox wouldn’t have signed no matter what they got tremendous value for him...
19 oct 2020 à 18 h 13
#10
wpg
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Carolina won.. they got 2 2nds for nothing
19 oct 2020 à 18 h 13
#11
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Quoting: Shifttee
It is hard to say NYR didn't win this trade flat out, Fox looked like a legit top 4 d-man as a rookie
(and giving up 2 seconds for him was a win, COL paid 2 seconds for D.Toews, personally I like Fox better)

With that aside:

The return on Fox alone was pretty great for a guy that wouldn't sign with us,
But actually seeing the pieces it turned into, is kind of phenominal.

Carolina has had one of the best overall drafts 2 years running, and now is top 5 deepest prospect pools hands down.
And this trade was legitamately a huge part of that.

(and yes, they're just prospects, and maybe all 3 flop at the NHL level)

But this is pretty nice now that we can see what we actually got for Fox.


You make a lot of good points!

What I will say though is that in reality you value the picks before picking players. You can't bash whoever traded a 5th rounder to Ottawa when they picked Mark Stone or whatever the case was, because if everyone knew what Mark Stone was, he wouldn't be there in the 5th round. And for this case in particular, the trade was made way ahead of not only the draft order, but an entire season of prospecs playing, what the other teams did in the draft, how good both Carolina and NYR were going to be in the standing etc.

But with that said - we also didn't know Fox was going to look this good. We knew he wasn't going to sign in Carolina, so any return is somewhat positive. And the expected value of those picks might not be great, but Carolina seemingly drafts well, and in hindsight it looks like a good return, giving the scenario and what we knew then.
19 oct 2020 à 18 h 22
#12
LafreneiretoKravtsov
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Rangers easily win this now, and for the foreseeable future.
19 oct 2020 à 18 h 36
#13
GM GameV4 Arizona GM
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rangers win now in the future could be canes since Rees, Gunler and Honka are all decent prospects
19 oct 2020 à 18 h 40
#14
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Rangers right now, but Carolina did well considering he was never gonna sign there. Now the Brady Skjei trade on the other hand...
19 oct 2020 à 19 h 24
#15
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Rangers only gave up Mads Sogaard and Noel Gunler.
19 oct 2020 à 20 h 39
#16
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Fox for 2 2nds was great for NYR and also for CAR considering their drafting the last 2+ years!!
Canes are stock full of nice forward prospects with a few nice d prospects. I'd say deepest pool in the league!
Jerks only to get jerkier for the next 6yrs?!?!! Me no like...
20 oct 2020 à 9 h 50
#17
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Since Fox wasn't going to sign with Canes, they absolutely won this.
 
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