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Whats the price for Dunn

Créé par: God8069
Date de création initiale: oct 19, 2020
Publié: 19 oct à 13 h 05
Équipe: 2020-21 Sabres de Buffalo
Transactions
BUF
  1. Dunn, Vince [Droits de RFA]
STL
  1. McCabe, Jake
  2. Mittelstadt, Casey [Droits de RFA]
  3. 2021 1e round pick (BUF)
Détails additionnels:
Young player who may just need a chance of scenery, decent replacement for Dunn, and a top 10 protected first. This get close?
Rachats de contrats
  • Cody Hodgson: 791 667 $
  • Christian Ehrhoff: 0 $
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
2021
BUF
BUF
BUF
BUF
2022
BUF
BUF
BUF
BUF
BUF
BUF
2023
BUF
BUF
BUF
BUF
BUF
BUF
BUF
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
1881 500 000 $65 004 167 $1 487 500 $3 487 500 $16 495 833 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
BUF
Skinner, Jeff
9 000 000 $
AG, AD
NMC
UFA - 7
BUF
Eichel, Jack
10 000 000 $
C
UFA - 6
BUF
Okposo, Kyle
6 000 000 $
AD
NTC
UFA - 3
BUF
Hall, Taylor
8 000 000 $
AG
NMC
UFA - 1
BUF
Staal, Eric
3 250 000 $
C
NTC
UFA - 1
BUF
Rieder, Tobias
700 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 1
BUF
Eakin, Cody
2 250 000 $
C
UFA - 2
BUF
Girgensons, Zemgus
2 200 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 3
BUF
Thompson, Tage
1 400 000 $
C, AD
RFA - 3
BUF
Lazar, Curtis
800 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 2
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
BUF
Dahlin, Rasmus
925 000 $
DG
RFA - 1
BUF
Ristolainen, Rasmus
5 400 000 $
DD
UFA - 2
BUF
Hutton, Carter
2 750 000 $
G
UFA - 1
BUF
Davidson, Brandon
700 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
BUF
Miller, Colin
3 875 000 $
DD
UFA - 2
BUF
Montour, Brandon
3 850 000 $
DD
UFA - 1
BUF
Jokiharju, Henri
925 000 $
DD
RFA - 1
BUF
Irwin, Matt
700 000 $
DD
UFA - 1

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19 oct à 13 h 06
#1
Leafs Fan Hater.
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Can you give me one reason why St.Louis trades Dunn?
19 oct à 13 h 07
#2
Habs_fan
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Why give up all that, just offer sheet him at 5M x 5 and Blues won't be able to match and only cost you a 1st and a 3rd
19 oct à 13 h 10
#3
Rejoint: avr 2019
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Quoting: p1015983
Why give up all that, just offer sheet him at 5M x 5 and Blues won't be able to match and only cost you a 1st and a 3rd


Who's signing an offer sheet to play in buffalo though?
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19 oct à 13 h 12
#4
Let'sGoBlues | WPGv4
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If Steen stays on LTIR all year, which is looking like a possibility, I'd only want the Blues to trade Dunn if they can get back a high-impact young winger like an Ehlers/Vrana type. Otherwise, the move they'd be tied to would have to be futures-based to save the cap space, and they won't win that deal; giving up a guy who is entering his prime for some hopefuls in the name of cap savings sounds awful to me.

In your deal here, i don't necessarily like the idea of banking on Mittlestadt, but it's McCabe that would be the deal-breaker. That wouldn't save the Blues any cap space and it doesn't add anything we don't already have.
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19 oct à 13 h 18
#5
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God
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Quoting: A_K
If Steen stays on LTIR all year, which is looking like a possibility, I'd only want the Blues to trade Dunn if they can get back a high-impact young winger like an Ehlers/Vrana type. Otherwise, the move they'd be tied to would have to be futures-based to save the cap space, and they won't win that deal; giving up a guy who is entering his prime for some hopefuls in the name of cap savings sounds awful to me.

In your deal here, i don't necessarily like the idea of banking on Mittlestadt, but it's McCabe that would be the deal-breaker. That wouldn't save the Blues any cap space and it doesn't add anything we don't already have.


Fair enough, forgot about McCabe's cap. Maybe if some was retained it'd be more interesting but fair enough. Dunn's going to be expensive, and blues have a lot of cap tied on long term defenseman, Faulk, Krug, and Scandella. If Steen stay on Ltir, then yeah they probably have no reason to move him.
19 oct à 13 h 18
#6
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God
Rejoint: jun 2020
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Quoting: dzad96
Can you give me one reason why St.Louis trades Dunn?


In case of cap issues
19 oct à 13 h 24
#7
burn the pegulas
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Quoting: SociallyHawkward
Who's signing an offer sheet to play in buffalo though?


i feel like the "nobody wants to play in buffalo" saying needs to be put to rest after the hall signing...
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19 oct à 13 h 27
#8
Let'sGoBlues | WPGv4
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Quoting: God8069
Fair enough, forgot about McCabe's cap. Maybe if some was retained it'd be more interesting but fair enough. Dunn's going to be expensive, and blues have a lot of cap tied on long term defenseman, Faulk, Krug, and Scandella. If Steen stay on Ltir, then yeah they probably have no reason to move him.


Yeah the LTIR is STL's best hope. If not, they'd have to dig deep and move out some cap if/when Steen and Tarasenko would return, whether it's Dunn or someone like Bozak, Scandella, Perron, Schwartz...

Dunn doesn't have arbitration rights so he's not in a big leverage spot - I'd guess that he gets a 2 yr bridge in the 2.8 - 3.2m ballpark. Haven't heard any news about extension talks though.
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19 oct à 13 h 29
#9
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Quoting: SociallyHawkward
Who's signing an offer sheet to play in buffalo though?


Hall's example is indicative
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19 oct à 13 h 30
#10
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I love the comments in these posts. Good teams that are in cap trouble will always say “if we’re trading Player A, we have to get a top 6 forward and a a 2nd in return” And completely ignore the cap/money ramifications.
19 oct à 13 h 43
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Let'sGoBlues | WPGv4
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Quoting: NeedTheCleanser
I love the comments in these posts. Good teams that are in cap trouble will always say “if we’re trading Player A, we have to get a top 6 forward and a a 2nd in return” And completely ignore the cap/money ramifications.


If you're referring to my comment, I said if Steen stays on LTIR all year then the Blues can afford to keep Dunn or move him for a forward with a similar cap hit. Would be a cap-neutral move to add a scoring forward, not a cap-saving move.

If Steen doesn't stay on LTIR all season, then the Blues need to find the cap space, and I don't think they should do that with a Dunn trade. Move someone else if all they'd get back is a draft pick/prospect that will never be as good as Dunn. Hell, retain 1.5 on Bozak and send a 3rd rd pick with him if that's what it takes to make the room. I see no reason for the Blues to give up a good young d-man when other teams have had no issue moving their cap hits around (stastny, maatta, gudbranson, m staal, etc).
19 oct à 13 h 48
#12
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This is big overpayment
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19 oct à 13 h 52
#13
CPDunn Untouchable
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Quoting: SalamiCheese
Hall's example is indicative


No Hall is injury prone so took a small deal to boost his numbers on a crappy team just so he can get a huge deal on a winning team. Dunn is already on a contending team. Big difference in scenarios. Also Blues have Steen on LTIR probably never coming off that’s 5.75M easily. Blues could match it.
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19 oct à 14 h 03
#14
mokumboi
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Quoting: NeedTheCleanser
I love the comments in these posts. Good teams that are in cap trouble will always say “if we’re trading Player A, we have to get a top 6 forward and a a 2nd in return” And completely ignore the cap/money ramifications.



Uhh, the Blues aren't in cap trouble. I keep waiting for some folks around here to notice.
19 oct à 14 h 13
#15
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Quoting: SalamiCheese
Hall's example is indicative


Quoting: chloewoj
i feel like the "nobody wants to play in buffalo" saying needs to be put to rest after the hall signing...


If he signed a multi year deal then you could make that argument. Hall signing in buffalo is the best option for hall and just proves that he wants his big payday. He signs for 1 year to play with eichel and boost his stats so he can get his big contract next year with a different team. He's basically using buffalo to ensure his next contract is massive.
19 oct à 14 h 55
#16
CPDunn Untouchable
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Quoting: NeedTheCleanser
I love the comments in these posts. Good teams that are in cap trouble will always say “if we’re trading Player A, we have to get a top 6 forward and a a 2nd in return” And completely ignore the cap/money ramifications.


So a few things on that lol. So cap/money "issues" are non-existent. Alex Steen is on LTIR his injury from the Bubble hasn't gotten better so most likely retires there. that's 5.75M. If you would like to see my ACGM that would prove to you why we don't have cap ramifications. I'll gladly show you. But to be perfectly clear if you think you will rape the Blues for a really good player just because they are in cap issues. You are so wrong lol.
 
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