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Can a team weak at C but elite elsewhere win a cup

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Date de création initiale: 18 oct. 2020
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So naturally no team would ever be constructed this way, but just an interesting thought experiment, was curious how people felt about positional balance
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18 oct. 2020 à 20 h 31
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I think so
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18 oct. 2020 à 20 h 32
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Vegas went to the finals without a legit #1 centre
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18 oct. 2020 à 20 h 34
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I heff to be mad...
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It could, very low chance however, but still a playoff team
18 oct. 2020 à 20 h 41
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Probably, cuz the wings could carry the centres
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18 oct. 2020 à 20 h 44
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The biggest problem I see is a bunch of offensive minded forwards and not much 2-way inclinations. You need role players in the playoffs blocking shots, shutting down scoring lines, killing penalties etc and only a couple guys in those forward lines are accustomed to that. This team is going to get pushed around a lot.
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18 oct. 2020 à 20 h 53
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Quoting: Bigshame
Vegas went to the finals without a legit #1 centre


I mean... yes, but the way William Karlsson played that season, he absolutely was a bonafide 1C. Even if that wasn't repeatable, he absolutely fit the bill for that season.
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18 oct. 2020 à 20 h 55
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You can win without a true 1C, but if your best C is a 3rd line center, you're not going anyway. You at the very least need a pair of capable 2Cs, and a system that can help support the lack of offensive depth.
18 oct. 2020 à 20 h 59
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This looks like the best team in the league to me - the only problem being that you can never play 3 of your best players at the same time. Because every players value is divided by their ice time, right? But at the same time - is Niederreiter really that much worse at C than wing? I'm not sure.

I think you can largely ignore positional needs in stead for better players, except for when it comes to ice time. When you have a PP with 3 minutes left and you're down a goal you want all your best players on the ice. But then again, you're probably down late in games less often if you construct your team to be as good as possible.
18 oct. 2020 à 20 h 59
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Quoting: Claesson4Norris
You can win without a true 1C, but if your best C is a 3rd line center, you're not going anyway. You at the very least need a pair of capable 2Cs, and a system that can help support the lack of offensive depth.


Yeah, you need really good depth to go far. Dallas for example made it to the finals this year without really having a true 1C (Seguin being injured) or a clear cut 1st line for that matter.
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18 oct. 2020 à 21 h 3
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Quoting: Claesson4Norris
You can win without a true 1C, but if your best C is a 3rd line center, you're not going anyway. You at the very least need a pair of capable 2Cs, and a system that can help support the lack of offensive depth.


I mean, Mark Stone and Nik Ehlers both play like centres. They just dont take faceoffs.

If that is the only problem, they will be fine
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18 oct. 2020 à 21 h 4
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When you have 4 top 15 wingers, 2 top 4 defensemen and the best goalie in the league, you shouldnt have any problems, no matter how weak your centres are
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18 oct. 2020 à 21 h 29
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The roster above could do some serious damage.

Quoting: Bigshame
Vegas went to the finals without a legit #1 centre


Yep. William Karlsson started that season less established as a 3C than Kerfoot, and played with wings less talented than the above. This team would be fine on offense.

Quoting: crankshaft
The biggest problem I see is a bunch of offensive minded forwards and not much 2-way inclinations. You need role players in the playoffs blocking shots, shutting down scoring lines, killing penalties etc and only a couple guys in those forward lines are accustomed to that. This team is going to get pushed around a lot.


True. Trade Burakovsky, Fiala, and Andersson out for Tom Wilson, Cal Clutterbuck, and Nic Dowd, and this team's chances go up a lot. 1st unit on PK could already be average, with Hedman, Hamilton, Stone, and Kerfoot, but the second unit looks like just Ekholm and Brodin, and two novice forwards, as is. Bringing in a few more guys who focus on defense, checking, and PK would make a huge difference in the ability to hold onto a lead.
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18 oct. 2020 à 21 h 37
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No. And as noted above, this team has other issues with 200-foot play.
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18 oct. 2020 à 21 h 37
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No in my opinion.

Quoting: Bigshame
Vegas went to the finals without a legit #1 centre


I mean they did have William Karlsson at his peak, and Statsny. Karlsson was a #1C that year and Statsny was a solid #2
18 oct. 2020 à 21 h 39
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Quoting: Eli
The roster above could do some serious damage.



Yep. William Karlsson started that season less established as a 3C than Kerfoot, and played with wings less talented than the above. This team would be fine on offense.



True. Trade Burakovsky, Fiala, and Andersson out for Tom Wilson, Cal Clutterbuck, and Nic Dowd, and this team's chances go up a lot. 1st unit on PK could already be average, with Hedman, Hamilton, Stone, and Kerfoot, but the second unit looks like just Ekholm and Brodin, and two novice forwards, as is. Bringing in a few more guys who focus on defense, checking, and PK would make a huge difference in the ability to hold onto a lead.

There's a difference between 2 way and goons. Tom Wilson and Clutterbuck add forechecking and cheap shots, not defence
18 oct. 2020 à 21 h 40
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Quoting: leafs101
No in my opinion.



I mean they did have William Karlsson at his peak, and Statsny. Karlsson was a #1C that year and Statsny was a solid #2


Ya he was for a year. These are nhl players. I mean it wouldn’t surprise me to see another random guy that nobody considers a #1C step up and play that way for a year. But not consistently
18 oct. 2020 à 21 h 50
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Ya he was for a year. These are nhl players. I mean it wouldn’t surprise me to see another random guy that nobody considers a #1C step up and play that way for a year. But not consistently


I would be very surprised. Just because it has happened doesn't mean it will happen again anytime soon. Outside of Karlsson I can't remember the last time something like that happened to be honest
18 oct. 2020 à 21 h 51
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I would be very surprised. Just because it has happened doesn't mean it will happen again anytime soon. Outside of Karlsson I can't remember the last time something like that happened to be honest

If Jonathan Cheechoo can score 50 goals in a season than that’s a prime example of it being able to happen based on what type of surround you put a player in.
18 oct. 2020 à 21 h 54
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If Jonathan Cheechoo can score 50 goals in a season than that’s a prime example of it being able to happen based on what type of surround you put a player in.


that was also like 15 years ago. My point is that it doesn't happen often.
18 oct. 2020 à 21 h 56
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yeah they could, but those weak centers will have their numbers inflated bc of the wingers.
18 oct. 2020 à 21 h 59
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Quoting: leafs101
There's a difference between 2 way and goons. Tom Wilson and Clutterbuck add forechecking and cheap shots, AND ALSO GOOD defence PLUS THEY"RE SECRETLY OKAY AT OFFENSE


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