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Kraken de Seattle

MASSE SALARIALE PROJETÉEInfo-bulle : 77 735 000 $
ESPACE PROJETÉ SOUS LE PLAFONDInfo-bulle : 3 765 000 $
DRAFTED: 29/30
ATTAQUANTS (16 - 56 950 000 $)CONDITIONSPOSSTATUTÂGE2021-222022-232023-242024-252025-262026-272027-28
Logo de Stars de DallasPavelski, JoeM-NTCADLNH377 000 000 $8 000 000 $0 $0 $M-NTC
UFA
Logo de Sabres de BuffaloOkposo, KyleM-NTCADLNH336 000 000 $4 000 000 $0 $2 000 000 $M-NTC6 000 000 $4 000 000 $0 $0 $M-NTC
UFA
Logo de Canucks de VancouverEriksson, LouiM-NTCAG, ADMineures364 875 000 $4 000 000 $0 $1 000 000 $M-NTC
UFA
Logo de Kings de Los AngelesBrown, DustinM-NTCAD, AGLNH365 875 000 $4 000 000 $0 $0 $M-NTC
UFA
Logo de Oilers d'EdmontonNeal, JamesAD, AGLNH335 750 000 $5 750 000 $0 $0 $5 750 000 $5 750 000 $0 $0 $
UFA
Logo de Coyotes de l'ArizonaLadd, AndrewM-NTCAGMineures354 375 000 $4 000 000 $0 $3 000 000 $M-NTC4 375 000 $4 000 000 $0 $3 000 000 $M-NTC
UFA
Logo de Ducks d'AnaheimSilfverberg, JakobM-NTCAD, AGLNH305 250 000 $5 250 000 $0 $0 $M-NTC5 250 000 $5 250 000 $0 $0 $M-NTC5 250 000 $5 250 000 $0 $0 $M-NTC
UFA
Logo de Red Wings de DetroitNielsen, FransM-NTCC, AGRappel d'urgence375 250 000 $3 000 000 $0 $1 500 000 $M-NTC
UFA
Logo de Lightning de Tampa BayJohnson, TylerM-NTCAD, C, AGLNH305 000 000 $5 500 000 $0 $0 $M-NTC5 000 000 $3 750 000 $0 $0 $M-NTC5 000 000 $4 750 000 $0 $0 $M-NTC
UFA
Logo de Blackhawks de ChicagoShaw, AndrewC, ADIR303 900 000 $2 900 000 $0 $1 000 000 $
UFA
Logo de Flames de CalgaryMangiapane, AndrewAG, AGLNH252 425 000 $2 450 000 $0 $0 $
Le joueur est éligible à l'arbitrageRFA
Logo de Maple Leafs de TorontoEngvall, PierreAG, AGLNH251 250 000 $1 250 000 $0 $0 $
Le joueur est éligible à l'arbitrageRFA
Logo de Penguins de PittsburghAston-Reese, ZachAG, ADLNH26
Le joueur est éligible à l'arbitrageRFA
Logo de Sénateurs d'OttawaMagwood, ZacharyELCCMineures23
RFA
Logo de Rangers de New YorkFontaine, GabrielCMineures24
RFA
Logo de Sharks de San JoseDahlén, JonathanAG, ADPrêt23
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DÉFENSEUR (10 - 20 000 000 $)CONDITIONSPOSSTATUTÂGE2021-222022-232023-242024-252025-262026-272027-28
Logo de Devils du New JerseySubban, P.K.DDLNH329 000 000 $8 000 000 $0 $6 000 000 $
UFA
Logo de Flyers de PhiladelphieGostisbehere, ShayneDG/DDLNH284 500 000 $3 250 000 $0 $2 250 000 $4 500 000 $3 250 000 $0 $2 250 000 $
UFA
Logo de Bruins de BostonMoore, JohnDGIR302 750 000 $2 750 000 $0 $0 $2 750 000 $2 250 000 $0 $0 $
UFA
Logo de Capitals de WashingtonJensen, NickDDLNH302 500 000 $3 000 000 $0 $500 000 $2 500 000 $2 000 000 $0 $0 $
UFA
Logo de Jets de WinnipegBeaulieu, NathanDG/DDIR281 250 000 $1 250 000 $0 $0 $
UFA
Logo de Avalanche du ColoradoGilbert, DennisELCDGMineures24
Le joueur est éligible à l'arbitrageRFA
Logo de Hurricanes de la CarolineBean, JakeELCDG/DDLNH23
RFA
Logo de Blackhawks de ChicagoStillman, RileyELCDGLNH23
RFA
Logo de Coyotes de l'ArizonaDineen, CamELCDGMineures23
RFA
Logo de Blues de St-LouisSantini, StevenDDLNH26
UFA
GARDIENS (3 - 785 000 $)CONDITIONSPOSSTATUTÂGE2021-222022-232023-242024-252025-262026-272027-28
Logo de Canadiens de MontréalAllen, JakeGLNH30
UFA
Logo de Oilers d'EdmontonStalock, AlexGLNH33785 000 $750 000 $0 $0 $
UFA
Logo de Sénateurs d'OttawaGustavsson, FilipELCGMineures23
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CONTRATS STANDARDS DE JOUEUR Info-bulle1882
PLAFOND SALARIAL Info-bulle81 500 000 $82 500 000 $83 500 000 $87 500 000 $92 000 000 $92 000 000 $92 000 000 $
MASSE SALARIALE PROJETÉE Info-bulle77 735 000 $36 125 000 $10 250 000 $0 $0 $0 $0 $
ESPACE PROJETÉ SOUS LE PLAFOND Info-bulle3 765 000 $46 375 000 $73 250 000 $87 500 000 $92 000 000 $92 000 000 $92 000 000 $
DÉPENSES EN SALAIRE ESTIMÉES Info-bulle69 100 000 $30 250 000 $10 000 000 $0 $0 $0 $0 $
BONIS DE PERFORMANCE POTENTIELSInfo-bulle0 $0 $0 $0 $0 $0 $0 $

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16 oct. 2020 à 17 h 5
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if i was gm for other 30 teams these are the players i would want to give up .. pick or prospect would accompany. most of these players.. some are dumps some are this is not one of my core guys and i can replace this player in house or fa move.. i went with 10 prospects and 15 draft picks over 3 yrs 1st rounders thru 4th rounders.. nothing worse then a 4th 5 out picks from this lot done outright so no extras involved .
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Everything looks good besides Minnesota pick. Why would the Wild not lose a defensemen? if 3 protected? Or lose a forward, if 4 d are protected? Much better goalies available than Stalock!

They'll take Holtby instead from Vancouver instead of Loui and Greenway/Soucy/Dumba from Minnesota.

I don't think teams will give incentives this time after teams like Anaheim lost Shea Theodore, Minnesota lost Alex Tuch and Florida lost Marchessault as incentives.

Incentives will be given from trades outside the expansion like Tyler Johnson from whichever team he goes this season. These other awful deals like Loui Erikkson, Kyle Okposo and James Neal are not possible to trade without giving up too much unless they are given to a floor team like Ottawa

I realize this is an experiment but

Also you are over the cap. Kraken wont go above the floor at expansion. They'll take bad contracts after expansion
17 oct. 2020 à 14 h 4
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Everything looks good besides Minnesota pick. Why would the Wild not lose a defensemen? if 3 protected? Or lose a forward, if 4 d are protected? Much better goalies available than Stalock!

They'll take Holtby instead from Vancouver instead of Loui and Greenway/Soucy/Dumba from Minnesota.

I don't think teams will give incentives this time after teams like Anaheim lost Shea Theodore, Minnesota lost Alex Tuch and Florida lost Marchessault as incentives.

Incentives will be given from trades outside the expansion like Tyler Johnson from whichever team he goes this season. These other awful deals like Loui Erikkson, Kyle Okposo and James Neal are not possible to trade without giving up too much unless they are given to a floor team like Ottawa

I realize this is an experiment but

Also you are over the cap. Kraken wont go above the floor at expansion. They'll take bad contracts after expansion


5 nhl defensemen 2 1st and 2 prospect + 5 RFA defensemen.. best option from the wild is stalock or talbot and i would choose a back up in stalock.
eriksson comes with a 1st .. brown comes with prospect .. neal comes with 2nd and 2nd .. okoposo comes with 1st and prospect .. ladd comes with 1st and prospect.. buried buyout .. further trades with money retained .. using vegas as a model .. tightening it up a lot compared to what mcphee got . R. Fransis knows what he is doing . based on what is available on each team. just guessing. cap will prob be flat again going into the 21-22 season. so some very hard decisions to be made. honestly allen and stalock . seems a good tandem to roll with 2 other goalie that will compete for playing time and 3 prospect goalies in the costs. there . very nice mix of vets and RFA's for 1st yr. then seattle would have some major work to do in the offseason. but should have all but 2 of the vets off the books.
so they can really start to shape the team.
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Everything looks good besides Minnesota pick. Why would the Wild not lose a defensemen? if 3 protected? Or lose a forward, if 4 d are protected? Much better goalies available than Stalock!

They'll take Holtby instead from Vancouver instead of Loui and Greenway/Soucy/Dumba from Minnesota.

I don't think teams will give incentives this time after teams like Anaheim lost Shea Theodore, Minnesota lost Alex Tuch and Florida lost Marchessault as incentives.

Incentives will be given from trades outside the expansion like Tyler Johnson from whichever team he goes this season. These other awful deals like Loui Erikkson, Kyle Okposo and James Neal are not possible to trade without giving up too much unless they are given to a floor team like Ottawa

I realize this is an experiment but

Also you are over the cap. Kraken wont go above the floor at expansion. They'll take bad contracts after expansion


i cant see why seattle would want soucy .. if im guerin no way im giving up greenway. and as for the 3 players u mentioned theodore . vegas was paid to take him .. same with tuch and marchy. that was how vegas got smith by taking marchy. florida needed both them off the books. and tuch was giving up along with a 2nd so wild didnt lose one of the defensemen at the time. i agree it will be much tighter with seattle that is why i more cap causialitys in there. teams are gonna give up future over established or high value propects. have to remember seattle is paying huge fee
to enter the league and each team get a nice chuck of that. all except vegas they dont get the money but they dont give up a pick. team will take that in account also. i'm paying 5 mil to pick 1 from ur team. i'll pick the piece u want to give but it will cost. or ill pick what i want. imo the wild dont need to give up anything. and stalock should be fransis choice. i dont think wild will leave greenway exposed.
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5 nhl defensemen 2 1st and 2 prospect + 5 RFA defensemen.. best option from the wild is stalock or talbot and i would choose a back up in stalock.
eriksson comes with a 1st .. brown comes with prospect .. neal comes with 2nd and 2nd .. okoposo comes with 1st and prospect .. ladd comes with 1st and prospect.. buried buyout .. further trades with money retained .. using vegas as a model .. tightening it up a lot compared to what mcphee got . R. Fransis knows what he is doing . based on what is available on each team. just guessing. cap will prob be flat again going into the 21-22 season. so some very hard decisions to be made. honestly allen and stalock . seems a good tandem to roll with 2 other goalie that will compete for playing time and 3 prospect goalies in the costs. there . very nice mix of vets and RFA's for 1st yr. then seattle would have some major work to do in the offseason. but should have all but 2 of the vets off the books.
so they can really start to shape the team.


As a Canucksfan. If Benning gives up another 1st rounder he’ll be fired, tout de suite!

Even the JT Miller trade. It worked out well but he didn’t need to give up a 1st rounder in that space of time.
Look at Vegas they accepted a 3rd rounder for Schmidt. As Vegas was desperate to shed salary as was Tampa in 2019.

Benning actually learned something with negotiations.

Eriksson can stay on the books this year.
They are not a contender in 2020-21.
2021 with a year remaining and 4 million in real salary on 6 million cap hit. He can easily be traded to a floor team. Gudbransson went for a late round pick to Ottawa. Same situation smaller real money compared to cap hit. Owners will love that next year especially as more teams bleed money without gate revenue. It should be almost en vogue as cash will be king with many owners right now not willing to play next season without gate revenue as Bill Foley confirmed on radio this past week.

Not once has a 1st rounder been traded this year in a salary dump.

Staal has one year remaining at same cap hit and same salary and went for a 2nd rounder as a sweetener.

There’s no chance in hell That Eriksson goes for a 1st rounder as a sweetener. 1st rounder ELCs are gold in this climate.

The difference between a 1st rounder and 2nd rounder is massive.
You are talking 60% chance of an nhl’r to 25% as a 2nd rounder. Then, the upside is so much greater as a 1st rounder.
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i cant see why seattle would want soucy .. if im guerin no way im giving up greenway. and as for the 3 players u mentioned theodore . vegas was paid to take him .. same with tuch and marchy. that was how vegas got smith by taking marchy. florida needed both them off the books. and tuch was giving up along with a 2nd so wild didnt lose one of the defensemen at the time. i agree it will be much tighter with seattle that is why i more cap causialitys in there. teams are gonna give up future over established or high value propects. have to remember seattle is paying huge fee
to enter the league and each team get a nice chuck of that. all except vegas they dont get the money but they dont give up a pick. team will take that in account also. i'm paying 5 mil to pick 1 from ur team. i'll pick the piece u want to give but it will cost. or ill pick what i want. imo the wild dont need to give up anything. and stalock should be fransis choice. i dont think wild will leave greenway exposed.


also u have to remember the entry draft comes before the regular draft and the cap can be over by 8.15m right up til the season starts. they could eat 1/2 of brown subban ladd salary and get other stuff .. at 9m subbans value is horrible at 6m someone may jump on him. same with other overpriced but seattle can retain that value for the limited time. and brown at 3m instead of 5.9 would have value to a team that want grit .. ect. this is fun to guess. but if i get more then 10 of these right i ll be totally amazed smile
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i cant see why seattle would want soucy .. if im guerin no way im giving up greenway. and as for the 3 players u mentioned theodore . vegas was paid to take him .. same with tuch and marchy. that was how vegas got smith by taking marchy. florida needed both them off the books. and tuch was giving up along with a 2nd so wild didnt lose one of the defensemen at the time. i agree it will be much tighter with seattle that is why i more cap causialitys in there. teams are gonna give up future over established or high value propects. have to remember seattle is paying huge fee
to enter the league and each team get a nice chuck of that. all except vegas they dont get the money but they dont give up a pick. team will take that in account also. i'm paying 5 mil to pick 1 from ur team. i'll pick the piece u want to give but it will cost. or ill pick what i want. imo the wild dont need to give up anything. and stalock should be fransis choice. i dont think wild will leave greenway exposed.


The Wild won’t have a choice. I keep hearing fan bases say they can offer sweeteners. But is a sweetener worth it to protect a player or two?
They’ll have to give up something. Whether it’s the theoretical “sweetener” or a player like Greenway.

Why bite your nose off to spite your face?

Let Seattle choose. They’ll want that 1st rounder like you say but is that worth less than Greenway in this climate?

Hell no.

Players. Good players will be exposed and picked by Seattle instead of being black balled to give up 1st rounders.
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As a Canucksfan. If Benning gives up another 1st rounder he’ll be fired, tout de suite!

Even the JT Miller trade. It worked out well but he didn’t need to give up a 1st rounder in that space of time.
Look at Vegas they accepted a 3rd rounder for Schmidt. As Vegas was desperate to shed salary as was Tampa in 2019.

Benning actually learned something with negotiations.

Eriksson can stay on the books this year.
They are not a contender in 2020-21.
2021 with a year remaining and 4 million in real salary on 6 million cap hit. He can easily be traded to a floor team. Gudbransson went for a late round pick to Ottawa. Same situation smaller real money compared to cap hit. Owners will love that next year especially as more teams bleed money without gate revenue. It should be almost en vogue as cash will be king with many owners right now not willing to play next season without gate revenue as Bill Foley confirmed on radio this past week.

Not once has a 1st rounder been traded this year in a salary dump.

Staal has one year remaining at same cap hit and same salary and went for a 2nd rounder as a sweetener.

There’s no chance in hell That Eriksson goes for a 1st rounder as a sweetener. 1st rounder ELCs are gold in this climate.

The difference between a 1st rounder and 2nd rounder is massive.
You are talking 60% chance of an nhl’r to 25% as a 2nd rounder. Then, the upside is so much greater as a 1st rounder.


i think u give benning to much credit for learning from his mistakes. i dont think he had any choice but to let tanev and marky go i think he was given order by ownership internal cap..
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also u have to remember the entry draft comes before the regular draft and the cap can be over by 8.15m right up til the season starts. they could eat 1/2 of brown subban ladd salary and get other stuff .. at 9m subbans value is horrible at 6m someone may jump on him. same with other overpriced but seattle can retain that value for the limited time. and brown at 3m instead of 5.9 would have value to a team that want grit .. ect. this is fun to guess. but if i get more then 10 of these right i ll be totally amazed smile


It was much harder to guess in 2017 as teams desperately overpaid in sweeteners to protect a few assets which cost them dearly.

Alex Tuch gone to protect Dumba?!?

That’s biting off your nose to spite your face
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i think u give benning to much credit for learning from his mistakes. i dont think he had any choice but to let tanev and marky go i think he was given order by ownership internal cap..


maybe ur right about eriksson. but vancouver has much more valuable pieces to lose. im ron fransis im making him give me that 1st or ill offer sheet pettersson or hughes or ill take woo. he is rfa also and rfa dont need required games played just to have been a pro 2 yrs ahl = pro ... woo or cap space + 1st . im keeping woo and giving up the 1st. woo has much higher ceiling then anyone they will get with late 1st rounder.
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It was much harder to guess in 2017 as teams desperately overpaid in sweeteners to protect a few assets which cost them dearly.

Alex Tuch gone to protect Dumba?!?

That’s biting off your nose to spite your face


lmao i agree and that is why fletcher was fired ... lol
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i think u give benning to much credit for learning from his mistakes. i dont think he had any choice but to let tanev and marky go i think he was given order by ownership internal cap..


Lol I give him no credit. Everyone knew those two wanted too much term.

Letting Toffoli and Stecher go and qualifying Virtanen was awful cap management but that’s not the same as offloading picks. He easily could have been tricked to give up a 1st rounder for a top4 D in Schmidt.

He did not
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lmao i agree and that is why fletcher was fired ... lol


That is why sweeteners won’t be given because GMs got fired for throwing futures away like candy

This is a copy cat league
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maybe ur right about eriksson. but vancouver has much more valuable pieces to lose. im ron fransis im making him give me that 1st or ill offer sheet pettersson or hughes or ill take woo. he is rfa also and rfa dont need required games played just to have been a pro 2 yrs ahl = pro ... woo or cap space + 1st . im keeping woo and giving up the 1st. woo has much higher ceiling then anyone they will get with late 1st rounder.


Offer sheets don’t happen as we see with Tampa. It’s like believing in Santa Clause or the Easter Bunny LoL

No way in hell will those guys leave Vancouver
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IF ur a gm would u rather choose who leaves or risk them selecting someone u dont want selected. most players take 3 or 4 yrs before they become full time nhler if they ever even do.
im thinking about future but it 50/50 i still be here in 3 yrs. so im planning for this season. i want to control the choice. and if i have to give up a piece or two so be it. plus if i have top 6 signed and top 4 signed. that 3rd liner that im giving up prob wont crack that top 6. so best to give him up. and go with cheaper. right ?
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IF ur a gm would u rather choose who leaves or risk them selecting someone u dont want selected. most players take 3 or 4 yrs before they become full time nhler if they ever even do.
im thinking about future but it 50/50 i still be here in 3 yrs. so im planning for this season. i want to control the choice. and if i have to give up a piece or two so be it. plus if i have top 6 signed and top 4 signed. that 3rd liner that im giving up prob wont crack that top 6. so best to give him up. and go with cheaper. right ?


You can’t control it. Seattle is picking not 31 other teams. That’s some crazy delusion there. Seattle paid 600 plus million to choose

I’m sure they’ll be a dumb general manager out there or two but again this is a copy cat league and even guys like Benning have learned a little from 2017
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i wonder if ur right about the owner doing a lock out. due to gate revenue. that would make huge mess of things. but it could be the only way some of these teams dont go bankrupt. and have to be sold to the league. phoenix florida vancouver. vancouver ownership is already put the lifeboats in the water. ottawa ownership isnt exactly financial stable even before this mess.
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good to chat with someone who misses hockey as much as i do. cool
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I like to think not analytically (NHL logic) here but use Vegas 2017 as a litmus year.

Gms simply won’t risk their jobs with sweeteners.
They will do the easy thing which is to protect 7-3-1or 4-4-1 and let Seattle figure it out.

It’s the same reasoning why GMs don’t offer sheet. Everyone throws a million scenarios around but none actually fit the narrative. How many 1st rounders have been traded this off season? None. Gms won’t do it!
They don’t like to be open to risk with an offer sheet coming back as well.

Schmidt a top4 D just went for nothing! Greenway and others will easily be exposed in this new climate.

A GM can easily just stand pat and let Seattle choose which is also what Buttman wants when Seattle paid so much money for a team.

This is a boys club through and through.
 
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