1 year of Staal cost a 2nd rounder to dump so 1 year of Eriksson costs a second and a first..... that makes a lot of sense.

Which staal are you referring to?

https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/371419

i think dumping just 1 year of eriksson is not worth 1st +, but I could be wrong. soderlund brings 0 value to that trade

Stastny gets positive value, but Bozak costs a 1st and a 3rd to move who was the better 5v5 player last year?

* Gets 2nd ovr *
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Well, here’s the problem. The rangers have to pay deangelo and strome. However, strome is currently expendable to the rangers and deangelo is arguably the one they want to resign most. If the rangers end up with at least one of them they are happy. Essentially, the red wings didn’t have the amount of leverage some may think to get more for taking staal.

Then there’s the Canucks. Eriksson’s contract sucks. Sutter’s contract sucks. Sven, well, sucks. Then, let’s not forget the most important part of the argument: LEVERAGE. The Canucks have BOTH pettersson and hughes coming off the books. Even with the 9 mil coming off next year, you’re still gonna need bare minimum 15 mil to keep them, closer to 20 if it’s long term. No one in their right mind in a COVID world is inclined to help the Canucks, but the Canucks will need help, hence, LEVERAGE. So let me ask: would you be willing to part with (arguably) a late 1st and late 2nd to keep pettersson and hughes? I really hope it doesn’t that long to answer.

Stastny was a proven player in WPG and is a true 2c. Bozak is a 3C at best. Winnipeg wanted stastny enough that they didn’t have Vegas pay to move him. Chicago or any team likely doesn’t want bozak that much. That said, it won’t cost this much. Probably just a 2nd at most

Blues lose your number if they havent already

Not actually true but good try tho.

crazy how a 2C got outscored at 5v5 by a 3C on a less potent offense. I can agree that there was a demand for stastny, but people keep acting like bozak is hot garbage when he is still a very useful player.

This is all about leverage. Would you rather we take steen? I’ll take steen, but either way it’s 1st and 3rd. Reason: because the blues don’t want to lose Dunn. That means getting rid of someone. Like I said, I don’t taking steen.

Also, bozak’s performance, short of being an all star, is irrelevant. The stastny trade was absurd. But then again, the jets needed a serviceable center. The blues need cap. Period.

Here you guys, switched it for steen instead, now play nice.

Easy no from the Canucks. People are getting so carried away with this cap relief cost. We can just retain half of Sutter, Roussel, Beagle and then trade them. Ferland might even go on LTIR. Eriksson won't be moved the following summer if teams want that to take on 1 mil in real salary.

I’m not saying he’s trash. Just don’t think anyone wants him at this point. With so many options still in free agency for so much cheaper, no one will give 5M for a 3C

I get it, but expecting this crazy return for eating cap is fantasy when you look at the actual trades - who other than Marc Staal - statistically one of the worst players in the league - actually required a sweetener this offseason? Gudbranson, Maatta, Schmidt, Stastny, Bjugstad, etc, all those guys got moved without having to pay anything.

Besides, I get the feeling that the Blues will sign Dunn and announce Steen goes to LTIR. Armstrong wouldn't really comment other than something about how he's played over 1,000 really tough games and that takes a toll. Just speculation, but STL will at least have some time to sort things out, Tarasenko and Steen will start on LTIR by the sounds of it.

Steen is going on LTIR for at least the season, maybe even for the rest of his career. I don't think we need to make that deal.

2C* only reason he's a 3C on St.Louis is because we have a couple better Centers.

But why would anyone take roussel or beagle? Sutter doesn’t even matter cuz he’s got one year left. Taking Eriksson is meant to help sign pettersson and hughes. That’s gonna over 15 mil. 9 mil comes off the books for the Canucks next summer, and trading Eriksson would get another 6. I’d sacrifice a late 1st and 2nd to keep my franchise faces.

That's a fair point, getting ahead of the FA market makes a big difference. But anyone that strikes out in FA and wants a (basically free) center might come calling. Maybe the Blues pay a late pick along with Bozak, but all offseason it's been posts of Bozak + 1st, Steen + 1st, etc and I feel like those cap dumps are reserved for long-term, awful contracts.

Screw it, I switched it back for only a 1st, and that’s because Dunn has to get signed.

Only thing I need to ask though is how do you sign Dunn with no space right now? I like the kid and he works for the blues. If the hawks are gonna suffer for two years, may as well help other teams out.

I think you won’t be able to dump him for free without retention. But i agree that it won’t cost a first either. I think it will be a cost a 3rd and bring in a 4th kind of trade. But he won’t be free to dump

The problem people keep making is that they look at those posts through the lens of a logical, normal world. Unfortunately, we are now in a COVID, flat cap for 3ish years world. Teams are going to need help and Seattle can’t help everyone. Bozak + 1st is pretty realistic at this point, I hate to say it. Cuz the blues still gotta sign Dunn and your team’s cap is over the limit without even having Tarasenko on the roster (he’s on LTIR). Again, this post is all about leverage.

Steen is getting thrown on LTIR. Tarasenko probably will too.

If you have bozak as your 2c on a “contender” you are in some trouble lol