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Hindsight into the 2015 Draft

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14 oct. 2020 à 15 h 0
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Barzal, yes. Connor and Chabot, tell me you were taking them at #14 and #!5 back in 2015.
14 oct. 2020 à 15 h 7
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This argument is honestly so flawed. Cause it would change how the next couple of seasons would go aka no Mcavoy most likely.
14 oct. 2020 à 15 h 10
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Quoting: Shane_Kelly
This argument is honestly so flawed. Cause it would change how the next couple of seasons would go aka no Mcavoy most likely.


i think youd be fine with no McAvoy if u had Barzal Connor and Chabot lol
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14 oct. 2020 à 15 h 11
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Barzal, yes. Connor and Chabot, tell me you were taking them at #14 and #!5 back in 2015.


ISS had all 3 of them ranked higher than all 3 guys the bruins took
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14 oct. 2020 à 15 h 16
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Well if every team had hindsight in the 2015 draft, Chabot, Barzal and maybe even Connor wouldn't even be available for the Bruins to draft. This is such a dumb narrative
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14 oct. 2020 à 15 h 19
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Quoting: bhavikp27
Barzal, yes. Connor and Chabot, tell me you were taking them at #14 and #!5 back in 2015.


Quoting: Shane_Kelly
This argument is honestly so flawed. Cause it would change how the next couple of seasons would go aka no Mcavoy most likely.


Quoting: shmoeman
Well if every team had hindsight in the 2015 draft, Chabot, Barzal and maybe even Connor wouldn't even be available for the Bruins to draft. This is such a dumb narrative


This wasn't an argument, just a for fun look at how things could of played out differently. Yes all teams could draft better with hindsight, but it's insane how Boston missed on three straight picks that were immediately followed by a 1C, a 1LW, and a 1LHD (DeBrusk is pretty solid but still). And yes of course the Bruins roster would of played out differently, but they would be significantly better than they are now if they had simply drafted three players three spots earlier. Barzal would be able to replace an aging Bergeron, Connor replaces an aging Marchand, and Chabot replaces Krug.
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14 oct. 2020 à 15 h 23
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Quoting: Shane_Kelly
This argument is honestly so flawed. Cause it would change how the next couple of seasons would go aka no Mcavoy most likely.


We shouldn't do good things because sometimes bad things have good consequences
14 oct. 2020 à 15 h 23
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I hate these hindsight lookbacks... First, barzal gets stuck behind bergeron and krejci. he might not even make the team as a prospect, his development might get stunted. Connor sure thats a miss. they went debrusk and senyshyn instead if you truly want to play that game: strome, zacha, and crouse shouldnt have been taken barzal, konecny, and connor should have.

Chabot is an offensive dman, hes not a 2 way guy. Bruins at the time had krug. no reason to draft chabot, they were looking for a chara replacement. Every team could have had aho as well. so i mean the drafts all a crapshoot. I wanted Connor myself but i see why they went with debrusk instead.
14 oct. 2020 à 15 h 24
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Quoting: vr1995
ISS had all 3 of them ranked higher than all 3 guys the bruins took


I get that but not all rankings are same and Bruins went with positional needs (which was a mistake). Chabot-Zboril played together in Saint John and they probably prefered Zboril for x reason; it just didn't work out (or not yet). Senyshyn was off the board.
14 oct. 2020 à 15 h 25
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This wasn't an argument, just a for fun look at how things could of played out differently. Yes all teams could draft better with hindsight, but it's insane how Boston missed on three straight picks that were immediately followed by a 1C, a 1LW, and a 1LHD (DeBrusk is pretty solid but still). And yes of course the Bruins roster would of played out differently, but they would be significantly better than they are now if they had simply drafted three players three spots earlier. Barzal would be able to replace an aging Bergeron, Connor replaces an aging Marchand, and Chabot replaces Krug.


id take konecny over connor, i know hes not a lw but i think hes the better overall player regardless bruins fudged up, they missed on all 3, happens to every team tho, NJ should have drafted 3 guys before hischier
14 oct. 2020 à 15 h 25
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I hate these hindsight lookbacks... First, barzal gets stuck behind bergeron and krejci. he might not even make the team as a prospect, his development might get stunted. Connor sure thats a miss. they went debrusk and senyshyn instead if you truly want to play that game: strome, zacha, and crouse shouldnt have been taken barzal, konecny, and connor should have.

Chabot is an offensive dman, hes not a 2 way guy. Bruins at the time had krug. no reason to draft chabot, they were looking for a chara replacement. Every team could have had aho as well. so i mean the drafts all a crapshoot. I wanted Connor myself but i see why they went with debrusk instead.


as an aside, the bruins tried desperately to trade all 3 of these picks to carolina for hanifin as they had an agreement but then carolina backed out and sweeney had to scramble to make the picks he had no intention of making.
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as an aside, the bruins tried desperately to trade all 3 of these picks to carolina for hanifin as they had an agreement but then carolina backed out and sweeney had to scramble to make the picks he had no intention of making.


i think you should be a little more upset your general manager wasn't fully prepared for the 2015 draft
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14 oct. 2020 à 15 h 27
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I hate these hindsight lookbacks... First, barzal gets stuck behind bergeron and krejci. he might not even make the team as a prospect, his development might get stunted. Connor sure thats a miss. they went debrusk and senyshyn instead if you truly want to play that game: strome, zacha, and crouse shouldnt have been taken barzal, konecny, and connor should have.

Chabot is an offensive dman, hes not a 2 way guy. Bruins at the time had krug. no reason to draft chabot, they were looking for a chara replacement. Every team could have had aho as well. so i mean the drafts all a crapshoot. I wanted Connor myself but i see why they went with debrusk instead.


Obv every team would draft way better with hindsight (eg: Leafs and the Tyler Biggs pick). But this is an extreme example, given that the Bruins took two busts and a second liner immediately before a number one center, a top-line winger, and a top pairing D-man. Just insane to think how picking those three could of altered the Bruins past five years.
14 oct. 2020 à 15 h 28
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id take konecny over connor, i know hes not a lw but i think hes the better overall player regardless bruins fudged up, they missed on all 3, happens to every team tho, NJ should have drafted 3 guys before hischier


Yeah I'd also rather Konecny over Connor. Point is, all teams mess up but this is just an extreme example of screwing up your first round.
14 oct. 2020 à 15 h 29
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Yeah I'd also rather Konecny over Connor. Point is, all teams mess up but this is just an extreme example of screwing up your first round.


yup easy to look back years later but its crazy
14 oct. 2020 à 15 h 31
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yup easy to look back years later but its crazy


I think it just shows you that the most important job a GM has is ensuring they have high end scouting. Sure you can sign free agents and make trades, but if you don't hit big on prospects then your team is at a significant disadvantage.
14 oct. 2020 à 15 h 33
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Obv every team would draft way better with hindsight (eg: Leafs and the Tyler Biggs pick). But this is an extreme example, given that the Bruins took two busts and a second liner immediately before a number one center, a top-line winger, and a top pairing D-man. Just insane to think how picking those three could of altered the Bruins past five years.


zboril is going to get his shot in the nhl this year... not sure how hes a bust. senyshyn was a bad pick but hes still young he could rebound and find a nice role for himself. and debrusk has top 6 potential still.
14 oct. 2020 à 15 h 34
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i think you should be a little more upset your general manager wasn't fully prepared for the 2015 draft


I think there was also an owner play here. Jacobs wanted the bruins to stay in the playoffs and be relevant for the increased playoff revenues. hence the god awful trades for stempniak, liles, etc. there was a 2 year window where the bruins should have bridged and not made the playoffs and made some real picks for the future. 2015 would have been a good chance for them to do that but I think sweeney was truly trying to move the picks for a high end dman or someone more established and nobody bit on it.
14 oct. 2020 à 15 h 35
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zboril is going to get his shot in the nhl this year... not sure how hes a bust. senyshyn was a bad pick but hes still young he could rebound and find a nice role for himself. and debrusk has top 6 potential still.


well he wasnt a good pick considering how alot of the guys in that first round are doing today, def more bust than not a bust
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zboril is going to get his shot in the nhl this year... not sure how hes a bust. senyshyn was a bad pick but hes still young he could rebound and find a nice role for himself. and debrusk has top 6 potential still.


Someone who was taken 13 OA and has only played 2 NHL games and is now 23, is in fact a "bust". Not saying Zboril can't find a spot in the B's bottom four, but he has in no way shown he was worth the 13 OA selection. Senyshyn has 16 points in 42 games in the AHL so I think we can safely assume he'll become, at best, a fourth liner (maybe a third liner if he's lucky). But yeah I totally agree DeBrusk can be a solid 2nd line guy for the Bruins.

But when you take that and compare it against Barzal (nearly a PPG this season), Connor (has hit 30 goals three straight years), and Chabot (a legit top pair); the point still stands.
14 oct. 2020 à 15 h 58
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Someone who was taken 13 OA and has only played 2 NHL games and is now 23, is in fact a "bust". Not saying Zboril can't find a spot in the B's bottom four, but he has in no way shown he was worth the 13 OA selection. Senyshyn has 16 points in 42 games in the AHL so I think we can safely assume he'll become, at best, a fourth liner (maybe a third liner if he's lucky). But yeah I totally agree DeBrusk can be a solid 2nd line guy for the Bruins.

But when you take that and compare it against Barzal (nearly a PPG this season), Connor (has hit 30 goals three straight years), and Chabot (a legit top pair); the point still stands.


right but barzal isnt going to be a ppg player with the bruins. so you cant make any comparison to barzal because at best they play him 2nd line with krejci. not 1st line center. ive said multiple times i wanted connor, i wanted connor at the draft, i remember them picking debrusk and senyshyn instead of connor and i threw the remote. But chabot i think benefit heavily from going to ottawa. His development for most teams doesnt skyrocket the way it did if hes on a team like the bruins where he takes the zboril route.

Hypothetical here. Zboril gets drafted by the bruins. knows hes stuck with them for the time being. knows hes not taking the HOF charas spot on the top line any time soon, and he wasnt taking newly signed krugs spot. He coasts a little bit in his development. I personally would like to believe we see a much different player this year than you saw in juniors and the ahl.
14 oct. 2020 à 16 h 4
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right but barzal isnt going to be a ppg player with the bruins. so you cant make any comparison to barzal because at best they play him 2nd line with krejci. not 1st line center. ive said multiple times i wanted connor, i wanted connor at the draft, i remember them picking debrusk and senyshyn instead of connor and i threw the remote. But chabot i think benefit heavily from going to ottawa. His development for most teams doesnt skyrocket the way it did if hes on a team like the bruins where he takes the zboril route.

Hypothetical here. Zboril gets drafted by the bruins. knows hes stuck with them for the time being. knows hes not taking the HOF charas spot on the top line any time soon, and he wasnt taking newly signed krugs spot. He coasts a little bit in his development. I personally would like to believe we see a much different player this year than you saw in juniors and the ahl.


You're still making crazy assumptions on Barzal. He has the potential to be a 1C, there would be options for him to reach that potential, or maybe he gets moved to wing. You simply cannot make the argument that drafting Zboril, Senyshyn, and DeBrusk over Barzal was understandable, because the skill difference is immense.
14 oct. 2020 à 16 h 6
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This wasn't an argument, just a for fun look at how things could of played out differently. Yes all teams could draft better with hindsight, but it's insane how Boston missed on three straight picks that were immediately followed by a 1C, a 1LW, and a 1LHD (DeBrusk is pretty solid but still). And yes of course the Bruins roster would of played out differently, but they would be significantly better than they are now if they had simply drafted three players three spots earlier. Barzal would be able to replace an aging Bergeron, Connor replaces an aging Marchand, and Chabot replaces Krug.


Whose on the RD? Anyone who became a Bruin after those 3 picks comes off this roster. Not only that, but you're assuming all these player develop and perform exactly the same, which simply isn't a guarantee.
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Whose on the RD? Anyone who became a Bruin after those 3 picks comes off this roster. Not only that, but you're assuming all these player develop and perform exactly the same, which simply isn't a guarantee.


Well typically when you draft young talent, those young players create a clog at a certain position. To satisfy that clog you trade the older and more expendable players to fill holes elsewhere. I don't imagine any of you would be complaining if you had Barzal, Connor, and Chabot at the expense of McAvoy.
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Well typically when you draft young talent, those young players create a clog at a certain position. To satisfy that clog you trade the older and more expendable players to fill holes elsewhere. I don't imagine any of you would be complaining if you had Barzal, Connor, and Chabot at the expense of McAvoy.


Don't know, I have no idea how this team would look like because its a rabbit hole of possibilities.
 
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