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Équipe: 2020-21 Canadiens de Montréal
Date de création initiale: 14 oct. 2020
Publié: 14 oct. 2020
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
Gallagher :

NHL TOTALS:
GP : 547
GOALS : 173
Assists : 161
Points : 334

Toffoli
NHL TOTAL
GP : 525
GOALS : 145
ASSISTS : 155
POINTS : 300

One sign for 4yrs 4.25M and the other ask 6 and more really ?
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14 oct. 2020 à 9 h 41
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Ita funny cause apparently points are the only indication of player value, except in the Josh Anderson case where he's all of a sudden worth 3x his point totals.
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Ita funny cause apparently points are the only indication of player value, except in the Josh Anderson case where he's all of a sudden worth 3x his point totals.


And you are right, I don't understand that contract either
14 oct. 2020 à 9 h 43
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gallagher is the best of him toffoli and anderson and makes the least, he should get 6 at the least, also been part of the core of this team for a while
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14 oct. 2020 à 9 h 44
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gallagher is the best of him toffoli and anderson and makes the least, he should get 6 at the least, also been part of the core of this team for a while


You have at RW :
Anderson
Toffoli
Gallagher
Caufield
Ylonen
Armia

You can't keep them all and Caufield need a top 6 role. Gally have probably the best value. I like him but I don't want to give gally a long term deal like he want.
14 oct. 2020 à 9 h 46
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Its probably cause of his defensive game. Also great at play driving
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14 oct. 2020 à 9 h 47
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You have at RW :
Anderson
Toffoli
Gallagher
Caufield
Ylonen
Armia

You can't keep them all and Caufield need a top 6 role. Gally have probably the best value. I like him but I don't want to give gally a long term deal like he want.


kinda sends a bad message giving money to 2 guys before a guy youve had on your team for a while who plays his heart out every night, one of them overpaid, look at fualk and pietro
14 oct. 2020 à 9 h 51
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I think Marc Bergevin and Gerry Johansson can both agree on a 6-8 year term with tons of signing bonuses to incentivize the player to accept a lower cap hit.

Do you think Gallagher would be willing to accept:
$39.5mm over 8 years?
14 oct. 2020 à 9 h 52
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And you are right, I don't understand that contract either


I don't think they re-sign Gally with that contract. He's probably shipped at the TDL
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I think Marc Bergevin and Gerry Johansson can both agree on a 6-8 year term with tons of signing bonuses to incentivize the player to accept a lower cap hit.

Do you think Gallagher would be willing to accept:
$39.5mm over 8 years?



the signing bonus dont lower the cap hit.................

and please dont give 8 yr to gally
14 oct. 2020 à 9 h 58
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kinda sends a bad message giving money to 2 guys before a guy youve had on your team for a while who plays his heart out every night, one of them overpaid, look at fualk and pietro


Theses 2 signatures prove that Gallagher dont worth 6M. Spec when the cap hit will be flat 3 years at least
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the signing bonus dont lower the cap hit.................

and please dont give 8 yr to gally


Quoting: Wreckless
I think Marc Bergevin and Gerry Johansson can both agree on a 6-8 year term with tons of signing bonuses to incentivize the player to accept a lower cap hit.

Do you think Gallagher would be willing to accept:
$39.5mm over 8 years?


2021-2022: 2mm sb 1mm salary
2022-2023: 5mm sb 1mm salary
2023-2024: 5mm sb 1mm salary
2024-2025: 5mm sb 1mm salary
2025-2026: 5mm sb 1mm salary
2026-2027: 3.5mm sb 1mm salary
2027-2028: 3mm sb 1mm salary
2021-2022: 3mm sb 1mm salary

Signing bonus money can't be forfeited even if a season is less than 48 games. Most players would prefer that contract right now as compared to 8x$6mm in salary.
14 oct. 2020 à 10 h 1
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2021-2022: 2mm sb 1mm salary
2022-2023: 5mm sb 1mm salary
2023-2024: 5mm sb 1mm salary
2024-2025: 5mm sb 1mm salary
2025-2026: 5mm sb 1mm salary

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2026-2027: 3.5mm sb 1mm salary
2027-2028: 3mm sb 1mm salary
2021-2022: 3mm sb 1mm salary

Signing bonus money can't be forfeited even if a season is less than 48 games. Most players would prefer that contract right now as compared to 8x$6mm in salary.


39.5M / 8Yr thats an average of 4.93M per years HE WANT MORE
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Theses 2 signatures prove that Gallagher dont worth 6M. Spec when the cap hit will be flat 3 years at least


but anderson is worth 5.5?
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the signing bonus dont lower the cap hit.................


It kinda does - frontloaded contracts are worth more, since money today has a higher value than money tomorrow
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but anderson is worth 5.5?


Bergevin think hes worth that. I prefer give this contract to anderson than give it to Gallagher.
14 oct. 2020 à 10 h 6
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Bergevin think hes worth that. I prefer give this contract to anderson than give it to Gallagher.


He can (and 99% likely will) have both signed before the next UFA season starts.
14 oct. 2020 à 10 h 7
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Ok but what those point totals don't tell you is that one of those players played with Jeff Carter in his prime for many seasons, while the other's best center has been Danault (who I like, but isn't an offensive dynamo in any sense of the word).
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Quoting: MelonVK
It kinda does - frontloaded contracts are worth more, since money today has a higher value than money tomorrow


And you can pay more out in the low escrow years of the new CBA:

2021-2022: 20% escrow (and possibly less than 82 games) (meaning you only get 80 cents on the dollar maximum)
2022-2023: 10% escrow (meaning you get 90 cents on the dollar maximum)
2023-2024: 8% escrow (meaning you get 92 cents on the dollar)
2024-2025: 6% escrow (meaning you get 94 cents on the dollar)
2025-2026: 6% escrow
2025-2026: 6% escrow

So more guaranteed money for the player as well.
14 oct. 2020 à 10 h 11
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Bergevin think hes worth that. I prefer give this contract to anderson than give it to Gallagher.


theres honestly no justification for his contract at this point
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39.5M / 8Yr thats an average of 4.93M per years HE WANT MORE


That would be the richest contract ever offered to a Montreal forward. Something tells me that with the kind of human that Gallagher is, it would be more than enough to appease the ego. Ultimately, Gallagher wants to be a winner in this market, and the lower his cap hit, the deeper the rest of the team is due to more cap space.

The signing bonuses and high payments in low escrow years balance out the higher cap hits that used to be given to other players in the old CBA escrow regime.
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theres honestly no justification for his contract at this point


Contracts are mainly based on scarcity value of a certain type of player and then supply and demand. The player fits a specific need for this team.
Personally, I think a line of Drouin-Suzuki-Anderson is going to work out quite well next season, assuming everyone is able to stay healthy.
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Contracts are mainly based on scarcity value of a certain type of player and then supply and demand. The player fits a specific need for this team.
Personally, I think a line of Drouin-Suzuki-Anderson is going to work out quite well next season, assuming everyone is able to stay healthy.


i dont think that means you overpay for it, he could very well play into it but a guy who had one goal last year, played barely any games, had mjaor shoulder surgery with a career high of 47 points doesnt warrant that contract not to mention traded domi for who i think could have gotten more
14 oct. 2020 à 10 h 25
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Guys by all accounts Taffoli's estimated contract was supposed to be in the 6 Mil before signing with the Habs. Comparing his current deal to that of Gallagher's next contract is ludicrous. Krieder is a better comparison for Gally's next contract.
14 oct. 2020 à 10 h 27
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i dont think that means you overpay for it, he could very well play into it but a guy who had one goal last year, played barely any games, had mjaor shoulder surgery with a career high of 47 points doesnt warrant that contract not to mention traded domi for who i think could have gotten more


Anderson fits a specific need on this team. Domi did not, he would have been significantly overpaid based on how we would have expected to use him this season. Anderson will be getting prime minutes in offensive situations likely alongside Suzuki and Drouin. He arguably projects to be an even more skilled version of Tom Wilson. His cap hit is fine. He has very little no trade protection. Domi would have been a depth center.

Bergevin made the team better. There's not much more to say about it than that.
14 oct. 2020 à 10 h 29
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Anderson fits a specific need on this team. Domi did not, he would have been significantly overpaid based on how we would have expected to use him this season. Anderson will be getting prime minutes in offensive situations likely alongside Suzuki and Drouin. He arguably projects to be an even more skilled version of Tom Wilson. His cap hit is fine. He has very little no trade protection. Domi would have been a depth center.

Bergevin made the team better. There's not much more to say about it than that.


im not denying he made the team better but he overpaid to do it, sorry at this point he shouldnt have gotten that
 
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