that was literally the biggest homer comment ever bye hahah

Cool

Stop taking EvolvingHockey as the Bible and watch a game

Bye homer

I watch games kiddo.maybe you should look at some stats

as a canes fan, you are delusional

I think this is well designed and value is right. Just cant see either team doing this. Carolina doesn't really need Jack either you guys got Aho. Just keep building imo. Car is gonna be a top dawg for a while

I look at the stats, but stats don't provide context, which is why you need to watch the games, "kiddo"

Quoted for truth.

Some epic hot takes In this thread:

Aho better than Eichel...yikes

Svechnikov would cost Eichel++...double yikes

To the original proposal, meh. I’d love Eichel, but he’s certainly not worth all that. When guys like Eichel are traded, the return is always less than expected. I’m not expecting Eichel to be dealt any time soon, but I’d be shocked if he ever returned that much.

As a canes fan, you are just wrong. You cannot argue with stats,

Stats provide context, the very category their in provides the context. Saying they don't provide context means you don't look at them, or you don't understand them. Either way, that's the fault of the reader who doesn't understand, not those that do kiddo.

I read Hurricanes offered 8 year deal 7.5 million AAV to Svechnikov and wants to reject and get bridged instead.

Yeah quite a lame offer by the Canes

Does it show who their line mates are? What about what defensive pairing their with? How about the goaltending situation? These are the contexts I am referring to, kiddo.

Yes kiddo. QoT (quality of teammate) and QoC (quality of competition) are accounted for. Again, your ignorance doesn't reflect badly on those that know how to use them kiddo,

Those are separate from the statistics you’re referencing though, stop being a prick, should’ve listened to the guy who said not to entertain you

I'm not being a prick lol. QoT and QoC are used when calculating anything from xGAR to ES_xGF/60 or ES_xGA/60. LMAO. You're trying to argue analytics and you're not winning 🤣🤣

I thought I remember you saying one time that Teuvo is a top winger in the game ... And he plays with Aho as well as Svechnikov do idk how Aho drags them to the finals. Now you also have a lot better dcore which stands for it self I mean our top 2 d are bottom 6 pretty much on carolina. Aho also didn't need to take as many defensive zone draws because you have Jordan Staal. Eichel doesn't have that. Eichel is the better player all around no questions asked. Im not gonna sit here and say I'm not a little biased but my bias is definitely pretty much gone with the sabres lately because of their lack of success. I really am wondering though what your opinions would look like without bias.

Under standing stats is another thing. Like I get you can look at a stat and say wow by the stats this player is the best in the world. But stats dont take into account strength of competition and more importantly strength of teamates.

This is when I am so glad they added the ignore list.

Defensive zone faceoff percentage
1C (Aho) 45%
2C (Trocheck) 25%
3C (Staal) 20%
4C (Geekie) 10%
Aho took the brunt of D zone draws so that point is invalid.

As for TT, yeah TT is a great winger. One of the most underrated forwards in hockey. He's not a star. Svechnikov is a great talent. He's still 19, analytics don't really work well in smaller sample sizes so when I say anything about Carolina, it discounts Svechnikov and Necas among others. That said
xGF With Aho 4.51
xGF Without Aho, 1.65
That is per 60 mins

For Buffalo
xGF with Eichel 5.53
xGF without Eichel 2.84
again per 60 mins

Aho has a bigger impact on the team that Eichel does. He plays on a much more defensively oriantated team and is one of the reasons the team works. Offensively, Carolina have about as much scoring depth as Buffalo. Lines 2-4 are underwhelming as all hell. But the effect on the team between Aho and Eichel favours Aho.

You go on about the D core. Fine, Carolina have some great names on defense. But vatanen played 6 games, Hamilton missed 5 months. Pesce missed everything from the Ayres game onwards. Carolina's d core was beaten black and blue. Edmundson is a black hole (I'm so glad he's gone) Gardiner defensively the less said the better (and I am one of his admirers)

As for bias, I don't think you're being biased, I understand your point. That being said, I prefer to weigh the analytical side of the game more than the base stats that so many others do. I still think Eichel is a great player. Top 10 C? Probably, I'd have to go through and list them. I just think that Aho gets severely underrated and he's better than Eichel because it's what analytics dictate.

QoT and QoC are part of any analytical metric.

Wanna know something funny, According to stats Aho is Carolinas worst defensive forward according the coaching staff. Out of Carolinas best forwards, Staal/Teuvo/Aho/Svech Aho was on the ice vs the worst strength of competition(played the easier opponents) and he also started in the Dzone almost 5% less than those forwards.