Small restock and signings

LISTE DE RÉSERVE	ANS	CAP HIT
Attard, Ronnie	3	834 000 $
Beaucage, Alex	3	914 000 $
Kokkonen, Mikko	3	740 000 $
Perbix, Nick	3	814 000 $

RFA	ANS	CAP HIT
Dermott, Travis	2	1 250 000 $
Cernak, Erik	4	3 875 000 $
Mikheyev, Ilya	3	1 450 000 $
Rodrigues, Evan	2	800 000 $

UFA	ANS	CAP HIT
Eakin, Cody	1	1 250 000 $
DeMelo, Dylan	3	2 950 000 $

TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
23	81 500 000 $	81 429 783 $	0 $	0 $	70 217 $

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Hyman, Zach 2 250 000 $2 250 000 $ AD, AG M-NTC UFA - 1	Matthews, Auston 11 640 250 $11 640 250 $ C UFA - 4	Marner, Mitchell 10 903 000 $10 903 000 $ AD UFA - 5
Robertson, Nicholas 821 667 $821 667 $ AG, AD RFA - 4	Tavares, John 11 000 000 $11 000 000 $ C, AG NMC UFA - 5	Nylander, William 6 962 366 $6 962 366 $ AD UFA - 4
Laughton, Scott 2 300 000 $2 300 000 $ C, AG UFA - 1		Mikheyev, Ilya 1 450 000 $1 450 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 2
Engvall, Pierre 1 250 000 $1 250 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 2		Barabanov, Alexander 925 000 $925 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 1
	Dickinson, Jason 1 500 000 $1 500 000 $ C, AG UFA - 1
	Eakin, Cody 1 250 000 $1 250 000 $ C UFA - 2

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Rielly, Morgan 5 000 000 $5 000 000 $ DG M-NTC UFA - 2	Cernak, Erik 3 875 000 $3 875 000 $ DD UFA - 3	Grubauer, Philipp 3 333 333 $3 333 333 $ G UFA - 1
Muzzin, Jake 5 625 000 $5 625 000 $ DG NMC UFA - 4	DeMelo, Dylan 2 950 000 $2 950 000 $ DD UFA - 4	Campbell, Jack 1 650 000 $1 650 000 $ G UFA - 2
Lehtonen, Mikko 925 000 $925 000 $ DG UFA - 1	Holl, Justin 2 000 000 $2 000 000 $ DD M-NTC UFA - 3

Laissés de côté	Liste des blessés (IR)	Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
Sandin, Rasmus 894 167 $894 167 $ DG UFA - 2		Attard, Ronnie 834 000 $834 000 $ DD RFA
Korshkov, Yegor 925 000 $925 000 $ AD RFA - 1		Beaucage, Alex 914 000 $914 000 $ AD RFA
Rodrigues, Evan 800 000 $800 000 $ AG, C UFA - 1		Perbix, Nick 814 000 $814 000 $ DD UFA

28 sept. 2020 à 11 h 50

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Again...Avs do not want Andersen,
They wouldnt trade for him straight up, so to think you can get a better draft pick and a good prospect for him as well...leaf fans stop this madness

Andersen is not the better goalie, he has shown he is awful in the playoffs,which is why your fan base is trying to get rid of him a 100 times a day. Why would the Avs want your headache for their goalie who has been good int eh playoffs and has won them multiple playoff series already.

Thats right they dont

28 sept. 2020 à 11 h 52

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Values appear to be there, but apparently Avs don't want Andersen. Plus that isn't a realistic extension for him.

28 sept. 2020 à 11 h 58

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Leafs may be overpaying a little bit in the Tampa one but I mean other then that the value in these trades is good. I don't think Andersen signs that extension though (He probably wants 7 mill at least).

28 sept. 2020 à 12 h 2

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Again...Avs do not want Andersen,
They wouldnt trade for him straight up, so to think you can get a better draft pick and a good prospect for him as well...leaf fans stop this madness

Andersen is not the better goalie, he has shown he is awful in the playoffs,which is why your fan base is trying to get rid of him a 100 times a day. Why would the Avs want your headache for their goalie who has been good int eh playoffs and has won them multiple playoff series already.

Thats right they dont

You are consistently saying this but I'm yet to understand why I see Colorado fans also trading for Andersen. I'm not trading him because of the reasons you've stated I'm trading him because we need to cut cost and an expiring Ufa who we won't be able to afford to re-sign is usually what you move in this situation. Also he is the better goalie. If grubauer had to deal with the last few years of leafs quality defense he would be long gone, just look at Hutchinson terrible here good there you can't dispute the difference of play in front of the teams goalies is vastly different.

28 sept. 2020 à 12 h 3

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Leafs may be overpaying a little bit in the Tampa one but I mean other then that the value in these trades is good. I don't think Andersen signs that extension though (He probably wants 7 mill at least).

Perbix is likely the better of the two prospects so I just made sure I wasn't being unfair

Edit I think Andersen will probably be at max 6

28 sept. 2020 à 12 h 5

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You are consistently saying this but I'm yet to understand why I see Colorado fans also trading for Andersen. I'm not trading him because of the reasons you've stated I'm trading him because we need to cut cost and an expiring Ufa who we won't be able to afford to re-sign is usually what you move in this situation. Also he is the better goalie. If grubauer had to deal with the last few years of leafs quality defense he would be long gone, just look at Hutchinson terrible here good there you can't dispute the difference of play in front of the teams goalies is vastly different.

its the same as why are leaf fans trading andersen, but they want to blame someone for losing in the 2nd round. He got injured, he didnt play poorly. Its that simple

Why would Avs want the older, already declining....ageing curves are a thing you know, and more expensive goalie. You dont lock up 31 year old goalies with playoff issues. Its an awful trade

28 sept. 2020 à 12 h 10

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andersen straight for gru. no need for any extras.

28 sept. 2020 à 12 h 11

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its the same as why are leaf fans trading andersen, but they want to blame someone for losing in the 2nd round. He got injured, he didnt play poorly. Its that simple

Why would Avs want the older, already declining....ageing curves are a thing you know, and more expensive goalie. You dont lock up 31 year old goalies with playoff issues. Its an awful trade

There is no evidence of Andersen declining at this moment and it's not him with the playoff issues how many times do I need to go over this. If a goalie is outstanding in 6 of 7 games and loses in the 7th because the team was terrible infront of him how is that his fault.

That's right it's not.

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28 sept. 2020 à 12 h 16

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There is no evidence of Andersen declining at this moment and it's not him with the playoff issues how many times do I need to go over this. If a goalie is outstanding in 6 of 7 games and loses in the 7th because the team was terrible infront of him how is that his fault.

That's right it's not.

No evidence he is declining yet his numbers have been getting worse and worse the past 3 seasons? .918 to .917 to .909....Come on man
he is outstanding? He has a record of 0-8 in series clinching games, a save percentage of .880 and a goals against average over 3. That is not outstanding career record.

2020 game 5 - .905 sv%
2019 Game 7 - .900 sv%
2018 game 7 - .829 sv%
2017 game 6 - .944 sv%

So he had 1 good game when the leafs were eliminated. right outstanding

28 sept. 2020 à 12 h 26

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No evidence he is declining yet his numbers have been getting worse and worse the past 3 seasons? .918 to .917 to .909....Come on man
he is outstanding? He has a record of 0-8 in series clinching games, a save percentage of .880 and a goals against average over 3. That is not outstanding career record.

A 918 to 917 in years with a regularly healthy Blueline 909 in a year with multiple stretches of our two best d men out. Come on man.

His playoff save percentage was 936 which is pretty outstanding. You need to learn that you can't use 1 game stats it paints the picture you desire but is completely inaccurate to a single person.

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28 sept. 2020 à 12 h 29

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A 918 to 917 in years with a regularly healthy Blueline 909 in a year with multiple stretches of our two best d men out. Come on man.

His playoff save percentage was 936 which is pretty outstanding. You need to learn that you can't use 1 game stats it paints the picture you desire but is completely inaccurate to a single person.

2020 game 5 - .905 sv%
2019 Game 7 - .900 sv%
2018 game 7 - .829 sv%
2017 game 6 - .944 sv%

So he had 1 good game when the leafs were eliminated. right outstanding playoff performances. Clutch in must win games. Playoffs come down to 1 game and you cant have a constant lemon in net in the biggest game which he is. Also he had a .900 in 2016 when he was eliminated in against the preds playing for the ducks. 5 years and only 1 good game. Right outstanding

28 sept. 2020 à 12 h 35

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Quoting: coga16

2020 game 5 - .905 sv%
2019 Game 7 - .900 sv%
2018 game 7 - .829 sv%
2017 game 6 - .944 sv%

So he had 1 good game when the leafs were eliminated. right outstanding playoff performances. Clutch in must win games

You clearly don't understand this. Just move on.

For the 500th time what is the problem with the leafs, everyone knows it's defence. What numbers tend to show these weaknesses, everyone knows it's the goaltender I bet you my house if he played for Colorado he would clear grubauers SV by 0.05 AND 0.15 GAA atleast BECAUSE OF THE DEFENCE. Until you learn this just give up. The only teams Andersen could be worse on than the leafs is Ottawa florida Detroit

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28 sept. 2020 à 12 h 41

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You clearly don't understand this. Just move on.

For the 500th time what is the problem with the leafs, everyone knows it's defence. What numbers tend to show these weaknesses, everyone knows it's the goaltender I bet you my house if he played for Colorado he would clear grubauers SV by 0.05 AND 0.15 GAA atleast BECAUSE OF THE DEFENCE. Until you learn this just give up. The only teams Andersen could be worse on than the leafs is Ottawa florida Detroit

you clearly dont understand this. You want to make a straw man argument that he is a good playoff goalie because he had good games to start series then fall apart constantly losing in series clinching games putting up awful awful numbers.

This is why this is the worst argument and dumbest argument leaf vans make....Freddie is good jsut the D core sucks so he would be so much better in front of a better D core. If Freddie better than Grubauer and Avs have a better D core than the Leafs, how in teh world would Grubauer be better in net for the leafs, with your logic leafs would get swept with this goalie change.

Thats why its laughable everytime. You act like you are doing the Avs a favour here.. but you arent. You are moving on from your failing declining older goalie.

28 sept. 2020 à 12 h 47

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you clearly dont understand this. You want to make a straw man argument that he is a good playoff goalie because he had good games to start series then fall apart constantly losing in series clinching games putting up awful awful numbers.

This is why this is the worst argument and dumbest argument leaf vans make....Freddie is good jsut the D core sucks so he would be so much better in front of a better D core. If Freddie better than Grubauer and Avs have a better D core than the Leafs, how in teh world would Grubauer be better in net for the leafs, with your logic leafs would get swept with this goalie change.

Thats why its laughable everytime. You act like you are doing the Avs a favour here.. but you arent. You are moving on from your failing declining older goalie.

Sure dude whatever satisfies your yearning to think you are right. If you used save percentage accurately you would know Andersens last 10 games played he has a 0.9424 SV behind an abomination of defence. Please for the love of God stop using a stat meant for long stretches of time for individual games it's absurd.

28 sept. 2020 à 12 h 48

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you clearly dont understand this. You want to make a straw man argument that he is a good playoff goalie because he had good games to start series then fall apart constantly losing in series clinching games putting up awful awful numbers.

This is why this is the worst argument and dumbest argument leaf vans make....Freddie is good jsut the D core sucks so he would be so much better in front of a better D core. If Freddie better than Grubauer and Avs have a better D core than the Leafs, how in teh world would Grubauer be better in net for the leafs, with your logic leafs would get swept with this goalie change.

Thats why its laughable everytime. You act like you are doing the Avs a favour here.. but you arent. You are moving on from your failing declining older goalie.

That's the thing if you paid attention to the AGM I brought in grubauer to a much more stable defense

28 sept. 2020 à 12 h 53

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Sure dude whatever satisfies your yearning to think you are right. If you used save percentage accurately you would know Andersens last 10 games played he has a 0.9424 SV behind an abomination of defence. Please for the love of God stop using a stat meant for long stretches of time for individual games it's absurd.

Oh ok I guess when its an elimination game and you only have 1 shot at advancing, its ok if your goalie played well in 4 out of the 7 games in a series, thats good right . You feel good that even though you were knocked out of the playoffs again, and your goalie played like crap in the most important game, hes an awesome goalie to have in net bc playing well in game 7s isnt that important.

28 sept. 2020 à 12 h 58

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Oh ok I guess when its an elimination game and you only have 1 shot at advancing, its ok if your goalie played well in 4 out of the 7 games in a series, thats good right . You feel good that even though you were knocked out of the playoffs again, and your goalie played like crap in the most important game, hes an awesome goalie to have in net bc playing well in game 7s isnt that important.

But what you don't take into account is the actual game, I understand what you are saying but it only proves to be accurate if the team played well or even average infront of him, Brodeur would have had the same stats in those games if the team played that way infront of him. I'm not kidding when I say you are using useful stats in a completely misguided way.

28 sept. 2020 à 13 h 2

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But what you don't take into account is the actual game, I understand what you are saying but it only proves to be accurate if the team played well or even average infront of him, Brodeur would have had the same stats in those games if the team played that way infront of him. I'm not kidding when I say you are using useful stats in a completely misguided way.

4 out of the past 5 years he has put up awful elimination game numbers, this is not just a bad team thing in front of him, different rosters, playing against different teams...this is not an isolated incident.
Its not a small sample size, this is a major issue. Just like how Lundquist was known for being locked down for games 7s....Andersen clearly has a issue in the big game, he faulters.

You cant blame it on the team in front of him for 4 out of the 5 years.

28 sept. 2020 à 13 h 7

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4 out of the past 5 years he has put up awful elimination game numbers, this is not just a bad team thing in front of him, different rosters, playing against different teams...this is not an isolated incident.
Its not a small sample size, this is a major issue. Just like how Lundquist was known for being locked down for games 7s....Andersen clearly has a issue in the big game, he faulters.

You cant blame it on the team in front of him for 4 out of the 5 years.

But you also can't blame all of them on him, your argument contradicts itself. They lost to Washington terrible defence Boston twice (they went to the finals one of those) terrible defence and Columbus horrid defence the leafs haven't had an adequate defence since kaberle and F*****g McCabe.

28 sept. 2020 à 13 h 10

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But you also can't blame all of them on him, your argument contradicts itself. They lost to Washington terrible defence Boston twice (they went to the finals one of those) terrible defence and Columbus horrid defence the leafs haven't had an adequate defence since kaberle and F*****g McCabe.

then hes not a good goalie if hes only subject to a dcore who is good. If the D core is bad and he is good, then why is every leafs fan desperately trying to get rid of him, Leafs want to win as well. And cap space and trying something different isnt the reasons lets be honest.

The fan base is trying to run him out of town bc of failure in the playoffs, thats whats going on. And up and coming cup contending teams going into their window arent going to actively aquire goalies at 31 with this kind of baggage.

You can move on from Freddie all you want, its not going to be to the Avs

28 sept. 2020 à 13 h 13

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then hes not a good goalie if hes only subject to a dcore who is good. If the D core is bad and he is good, then why is every leafs fan desperately trying to get rid of him, Leafs want to win as well. And cap space and trying something different isnt the reasons lets be honest.

The fan base is trying to run him out of town bc of failure in the playoffs, thats whats going on. And up and coming cup contending teams going into their window arent going to actively aquire goalies at 31 with this kind of baggage.

You can move on from Freddie all you want, its not going to be to the Avs

You can think what you wish, but we aren't running him out of town. I simply understand that our defense will not improve to where it should be with that much money being used to resign him its literally just the business solely due to a non increasing cap by the time he needs to be signed.

Tell that to the other avs fans I see making moves for him.

28 sept. 2020 à 13 h 35

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You can think what you wish, but we aren't running him out of town. I simply understand that our defense will not improve to where it should be with that much money being used to resign him its literally just the business solely due to a non increasing cap by the time he needs to be signed.

Tell that to the other avs fans I see making moves for him.

There is like 1 of them who does that, and when 99% of Avs fans on this site and on Avs twitter dont want anything to do with taking a Andersen, Murray etc..its pretty good pulse of what the fan base is saying.

Leaf fans post andersen trades in almost every roster, that seems like you are running him out of town.

28 sept. 2020 à 15 h 1

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There is like 1 of them who does that, and when 99% of Avs fans on this site and on Avs twitter dont want anything to do with taking a Andersen, Murray etc..its pretty good pulse of what the fan base is saying.

Leaf fans post andersen trades in almost every roster, that seems like you are running him out of town.

I don't use twitter, and just because a fan base knows the business of the game doesn't mean they are running a player out of town. Running a player out of town is the Kadri deal, he was a valuable asset that was pushed out for his play (I didn't agree with it) a Ufa is a business choice. It's like you know absolutely nothing about business.

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