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Staal trade as a guide

Créé par: Seider53
Équipe: 2020-21 Red Wings de Detroit
Date de création initiale: 27 sept. 2020
Publié: 27 sept. 2020
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
Lots of scope to make similar moves next offseason, likely use a pick or two to move up to try and pick better quality assets.
Nashville trade is tricky, pick 11 should be a great player but Turris at 6 mil for 4 more is rough. The effect on Detroit isn't huge and it would be worth seeing if he has the chemistry with Mantha that he had at the WC.
Conditions on trades are a guess and could easily be changed. Keep some of the prospects in Europe, team likely takes a step forward but is still 30th or 31st.
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
44 200 000 $
66 750 000 $
21 450 000 $
2950 000 $
1950 000 $
1950 000 $
2950 000 $
1800 000 $
1800 000 $
CRÉÉANSCAP HIT
Raymond, Lucas
3925 000 $
Transactions
1.
DET
PIT
  1. Glendening, Luke (900 000 $ retained)
2.
DET
  1. Fleury, Marc-André
  2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2020 (VGK)
Détails additionnels:
Vegas Drops from 29 to 45 to free up 7 million in cap space.
VGK
  1. Hirose, Taro
  2. Choix de 2e ronde en 2020 (EDM)
3.
DET
  1. Reimer, James
  2. Choix de 2e ronde en 2020 (NYR)
  3. Choix de 3e ronde en 2021 (CAR)
Détails additionnels:
2021 pick dependant on Fleury's performance, maybe 2nd if he records 20+ wins and a 1st if he records 20+ wins and the Canes make the 2nd round and Fleury starts say 75% of the games.
CAR
  1. Fleury, Marc-André (3 500 000 $ retained)
4.
DET
  1. Turris, Kyle
  2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2020 (NSH)
  3. Choix de 2e ronde en 2021 (NSH)
Détails additionnels:
'21 pick dependant on performance, if Turris scores 35+ points remains a 2nd, otherwise 2021 1st.
NSH
  1. Filppula, Valtteri (1 500 000 $ retained)
5.
DET
  1. Choix de 5e ronde en 2021 (ANA)
  2. Choix de 3e ronde en 2022 (ANA)
Détails additionnels:
Any team at the deadline.
ANA
  1. Helm, Darren (1 900 000 $ retained)
6.
DET
  1. Kerfoot, Alexander
  2. Choix de 4e ronde en 2020 (VGK)
Détails additionnels:
Erne's cheap, good defensively for the bottom 6, Kerfoot is better at hockey but overpaid.
TOR
  1. Erne, Adam
  2. Choix de 3e ronde en 2020 (PIT)
7.
Rachats de contrats
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
Enfoui
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2020
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2021
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2022
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2381 500 000 $75 402 457 $0 $1 990 000 $6 097 543 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
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4 200 000 $4 200 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
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6 100 000 $6 100 000 $
C
UFA - 3
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894 167 $894 167 $ (Bonis de performance850 000 $$850K)
AD, AG
RFA - 2
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2 950 000 $2 950 000 $
AG
UFA - 2
Logo de Predators de Nashville
1 650 000 $1 650 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 2
Logo de Red Wings de Detroit
6 750 000 $6 750 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 4
Logo de Red Wings de Detroit
874 125 $874 125 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
3 500 000 $3 500 000 $
AG, C, AD
UFA - 3
Logo de Red Wings de Detroit
894 166 $894 166 $ (Bonis de performance850 000 $$850K)
AG, C
UFA - 1
Logo de Canucks de Vancouver
3 366 666 $3 366 666 $
AG
UFA - 1
Logo de Red Wings de Detroit
5 250 000 $5 250 000 $
C, AG
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo de Red Wings de Detroit
850 000 $850 000 $
AD, C
UFA - 1
Logo de Red Wings de Detroit
950 000 $950 000 $
AG
UFA - 1
Logo de Red Wings de Detroit
950 000 $950 000 $
C, AG
UFA
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
Logo de Red Wings de Detroit
5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
DG
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo de Red Wings de Detroit
714 166 $714 166 $ (Bonis de performance157 500 $$158K)
DD
RFA - 1
Logo de Red Wings de Detroit
3 000 000 $3 000 000 $
G
UFA - 1
Logo de Red Wings de Detroit
1 500 000 $1 500 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
Logo de Red Wings de Detroit
775 833 $775 833 $ (Bonis de performance132 500 $$132K)
DD
RFA - 1
Logo de Hurricanes de la Caroline
3 400 000 $3 400 000 $
G
UFA - 1
Logo de Red Wings de Detroit
5 700 000 $5 700 000 $
DG
NMC
UFA - 1
Logo de Red Wings de Detroit
875 000 $875 000 $
DD
UFA - 1
Logo de Red Wings de Detroit
1 450 000 $1 450 000 $
DD
UFA - 2
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
Logo de Red Wings de Detroit
6 083 333 $6 083 333 $
C
UFA - 1

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27 sept. 2020 à 9 h 2
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JJ buried is 6.6 mil (over 3 years) i wouldn't say that is worth POJ+ (I would say Legare is worth a late second in a relatively weaker class) vs Staal...
27 sept. 2020 à 9 h 4
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No reason for a Vancouver to do that trade. Benn only has 1 year left, not a lot of salary and can play in the bottom pairing on either side. Easy pass
27 sept. 2020 à 9 h 7
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JJ buried is 6.6 mil (over 3 years) i wouldn't say that is worth POJ+ (I would say Legare is worth a late second in a relatively weaker class) vs Staal...


Understandable, I would take one of the prospects, Glendening carries the value of the draft pick in the deal. I had seen the deal suggested by a number of pens fans.
27 sept. 2020 à 9 h 9
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No reason for a Vancouver to do that trade. Benn only has 1 year left, not a lot of salary and can play in the bottom pairing on either side. Easy pass


Understandable, Benn could be replaced by Baertschi and one of our prospects could fill the spot on the blue line. While some fans may believe Baertschi would take contract termination, but he's losing a heck of a lot of money if he does. I picked Benn early on presuming there wouldnt be cap space for Baertschi or Sutter from Vancouver.
27 sept. 2020 à 9 h 59
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Ya For Pens trade, I’d say no POJ. Otherwise fine. Not sure they need Glendening anymore either
27 sept. 2020 à 10 h 10
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Believe it or not, it appears James Reimer actually has positive value. No need for CAR to give that much Fleury, even at 50%.
27 sept. 2020 à 10 h 11
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You're expecting too much in the Pens trade and you're basically bailing Vegas out like Yzerman did the Rangers with that crappy Staal trade.
27 sept. 2020 à 10 h 34
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Understandable, Benn could be replaced by Baertschi and one of our prospects could fill the spot on the blue line. While some fans may believe Baertschi would take contract termination, but he's losing a heck of a lot of money if he does. I picked Benn early on presuming there wouldnt be cap space for Baertschi or Sutter from Vancouver.


Would have to be one of Roussel, Beagle or Eriksson. Understand that Eriksson may be a non starter.
27 sept. 2020 à 10 h 43
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Would have to be one of Roussel, Beagle or Eriksson. Understand that Eriksson may be a non starter.


I would think an Eriksson deal would make best sense for both teams next offseason, 2nd and a prospect to represent a state of higher desperation and a slightly worse contract than the Staal deal
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27 sept. 2020 à 10 h 45
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I would think an Eriksson deal would make best sense for both teams next offseason, 2nd and a prospect to represent a state of higher desperation and a slightly worse contract than the Staal deal


That’s fair. As a Canuck’s fan, would prefer they force Eriksson to retire or stay in the ECHL for the next two years.
27 sept. 2020 à 10 h 48
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That’s fair. As a Canuck’s fan, would prefer they force Eriksson to retire or stay in the ECHL for the next two years.


How are the finances of the team? I would think he could be kept as a 13th forward/healthy scratch for a season without preventing you from re-signing anyone. It's the Hughes/Pettersson offseason where a 13th forward @ $6m becomes more problematic.
27 sept. 2020 à 10 h 56
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How are the finances of the team? I would think he could be kept as a 13th forward/healthy scratch for a season without preventing you from re-signing anyone. It's the Hughes/Pettersson offseason where a 13th forward @ $6m becomes more problematic.


Challenge this year is resigning all their UFAs and RFAs. Think Tanev is gone and maybe Markstrom. Aside from that, your point is correct
27 sept. 2020 à 11 h 35
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No to the Vegas, carolina and Toronto the trades, the rest are ok

Absolutely yes to raymond being the guy too
27 sept. 2020 à 11 h 45
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No to the Vegas, carolina and Toronto the trades, the rest are ok

Absolutely yes to raymond being the guy too


See, the Staal trade made me think about hopes, and Detroit fans on here do seem to like to aim high. I would like more, but the Vegas/Canes 3 way trade gets us a serviceable stopgap (Who I would probably re-sign tbh), a 1st round pick, a conditional 3rd and a 4 place upgrade in the 2nd round. That's huge value.
My thinking with the Leafs trade is that the difference between the two picks is minimal, but Kerfoot can wait there until one of the prospects is ready to take over at C, at which point he can be flipped for a mid pick again, it's not sexy but it's better than Nielsen.
27 sept. 2020 à 12 h 21
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See, the Staal trade made me think about hopes, and Detroit fans on here do seem to like to aim high. I would like more, but the Vegas/Canes 3 way trade gets us a serviceable stopgap (Who I would probably re-sign tbh), a 1st round pick, a conditional 3rd and a 4 place upgrade in the 2nd round. That's huge value.
My thinking with the Leafs trade is that the difference between the two picks is minimal, but Kerfoot can wait there until one of the prospects is ready to take over at C, at which point he can be flipped for a mid pick again, it's not sexy but it's better than Nielsen.


My issue with the Vegas trade is giving up a 2nd to vegas, hirose should be enough.

My issue with the leafs trade is that kerfoot is one of the worst players in the entire league and I wouldn't ever trade him from for anything. Not to mention leafs are in a cap situation right now and if they want to trade us kerfoot then it's going to cost them a 2nd, not us a 3rd. I am not going to help a division rival take a garbage player and pay for it. The guy makes 3.5 million and scored 9 goals and 19 assists whike switching between top 6 winger with jt and Mathews or 3C and just can't get it done. The guy is legit a bust player and we should never surround ourselves with someone like him. Look at his interviews also, he's an ego maniac and he just really should never be on the wings
27 sept. 2020 à 14 h 11
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I can't see Nashville giving up a 1st to be rid of Turris. Let alone the possibility of 2 1sts. They'll buy him out if they can be rid of him for a couple 2nds or mid round picks with 2M retention.
27 sept. 2020 à 19 h 51
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Do not see JJ as costing much more than Staal to dump, especially not the gulf between a 2021 2nd and first + second round prospects and a 2020 3rd

Glendening does nothing for Pittsburgh, they have better options in the org
 
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