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Severson and Palmieri trades

Créé par: NHLfan10506
Date de création initiale: sep 26, 2020
Publié: 26 sep à 6 h 04
Équipe: 2020-21 Devils du New Jersey
Explications
NJD gets a lot of offers for Severson and Palmieiri.

I have offered a few examples of trades I've see that I would fit from NJD perspective.

Some of these are ambitious or lopsided and some too low of a return - wanted to show types of players/prospects NJD would want to acquire. (as opposed to the frequently seen packages of a few overpaid 4th liners and some late picks)

NJD needs:
- Young dmen
- Right-shot forwards/prospects
- possible goalie prospect

Cap dumps generally cost (per year)
- $5-6 million - 1st round pick
- $3-4 million - 2nd round pick
- $1-2 million - 3rd round pick
- <$1 million - late round pick

Hope that helps.
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
CRÉÉANSCAP HIT
Severson, Damon34 166 666 $
Severson, Damon34 166 666 $
Severson, Damon34 166 666 $
Palmieri, Kyle14 650 000 $
Palmieri, Kyle14 650 000 $
Palmieri, Kyle14 650 000 $
Palmieri, Kyle14 650 000 $
Transactions
NJD
  1. Ehlers, Nikolaj
  2. Stanley, Logan
  3. 2020 5e round pick (WPG)
WPG
  1. Severson, Damon
  2. Mcleod, Michael
  3. 2020 1e round pick (VAN)
NJD
  1. Pettersson, Marcus
  2. Johnson, Jack
  3. Joseph, Pierre-Olivier
PIT
  1. Severson, Damon
  2. 2021 3e round pick (ARI)
NJD
  1. Sandin, Rasmus
  2. 2020 1e round pick (PIT)
TOR
  1. Severson, Damon (1 000 000 $ retained)
NJD
  1. Bozak, Tyler
  2. Thomas, Robert
Détails additionnels:
If they lose AP to fee agency
STL
  1. Severson, Damon
NJD
  1. Studnicka, Jack
  2. 2021 2e round pick (BOS)
BOS
  1. Palmieri, Kyle
NJD
  1. Bean, Jake
  2. Niederreiter, Nino
  3. 2020 1e round pick (TOR)
CAR
  1. Palmieri, Kyle
  2. 2020 3e round pick (CAR)
NJD
  1. Romanov, Alexander
  2. 2020 2e round pick (MTL)
MTL
  1. Palmieri, Kyle
NJD
  1. Russell, Kris
  2. Benson, Tyler
  3. 2020 1e round pick (EDM)
EDM
  1. Palmieri, Kyle
  2. 2021 3e round pick (NJD)
NJD
  1. Tippett, Owen
  2. 2020 2e round pick (FLA)
FLA
  1. Palmieri, Kyle
Rachats de contrats
  • Mike Cammalleri: 1 666 667 $
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
  • Damon Severson: 1 000 000 $ (24%)
Frais appliqués
  • Ilya Kovalchuk: 250 000 $
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
2020
NJD
ARI
PIT
TOR
EDM
MTL
FLA
NJD
BOS
NJD
WPG
NJD
NJD
2021
NJD
NYI
BOS
NJD
NJD
BUF
NJD
2022
NJD
NJD
NJD
NJD
NJD
CBJ
NJD
NJD
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2681 500 000 $82 963 507 $0 $5 582 500 $-1 463 507 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
NJD
Gusev, Nikita
4 500 000 $
AG
NTC
UFA - 1
NJD
Hischier, Nico
7 250 000 $
C
UFA - 7
WPG
Ehlers, Nikolaj
6 000 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 5
NJD
Wood, Miles
2 750 000 $
AG
RFA - 2
NJD
Zajac, Travis
5 750 000 $
C
NTC
UFA - 1
STL
Thomas, Robert
894 166 $
AD, C
RFA - 1
CAR
Niederreiter, Nino
5 250 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 2
NJD
Zacha, Pavel
2 250 000 $
C
RFA - 2
FLA
Tippett, Owen
863 333 $
AD
RFA - 2
EDM
Benson, Tyler
808 333 $
AG
RFA - 1
NJD
Hughes, Jack
925 000 $
C
RFA - 2
STL
Bozak, Tyler
5 000 000 $
C
NTC
UFA - 1
BOS
Studnicka, Jack
769 167 $
C
RFA - 2
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
NJD
Butcher, Will
3 733 333 $
DG
UFA - 2
NJD
Subban, P.K.
9 000 000 $
DD
UFA - 2
NJD
Schneider, Cory
6 000 000 $
G
NTC
UFA - 2
WPG
Stanley, Logan
863 333 $
DG
RFA - 1
NJD
Carrick, Connor
1 500 000 $
DD
UFA - 1
PIT
Pettersson, Marcus
4 025 175 $
DG
UFA - 5
PIT
Johnson, Jack
3 250 000 $
DG
UFA - 3
PIT
Johnson, Jack
1 150 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
PIT
Joseph, Pierre-Olivier
863 333 $
DG
RFA - 2
TOR
Sandin, Rasmus
894 167 $
DG
RFA - 2
CAR
Bean, Jake
863 333 $
DG
RFA - 1
MTL
Romanov, Alexander
894 167 $
DG/DD
RFA - 2
EDM
Russell, Kris
4 000 000 $
DG/DD
NMC NTC
UFA - 1

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26 sep à 9 h 24
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Modifié 26 sep à 9 h 36
Quoting: Ryminister_27
If you're looking for a 1st rounder outta him, you might be lucky to get just the pick. Wouldn't get a prospect in there. Severson is not good enough in his own end to get both. Sandin and a 1st gets closer to Parayko than Severson. What you're forgetting is that Pittsburgh's desperate to win before their window closes. That's why they slightly overpaid for Kapanen. Toronto's window isn't as small as Pittsburgh so they don't have to overspend for a mediocre upgrade. There's plenty of UFA options out there that would be a better upgrade for what Toronto needs and wouldn't cost any assets to give up. Pietrangelo, Tanev, Demelo, Gudas, etc are all better fits and don't cost any ridiculous assets to get.

I disagree. I think the Leafs window is closing and having the option to retain on Severson should get you more than what Kapanen got. I would say something along the lines of 15th and Liljegren.
And they are not going to cost you any assets because they are free agents. But I still think financially the leafs will struggle Signing those guys for fair contracts.
When people are saying that Not many teams Are going after defenceman because of the cap situation but yet a team like the leafs who have arguably the worst cap position in the league are going out for defenceman doesn’t that mean that other teams can possibly go after them.
There is already a report that Pittsburgh wants to sign Tanev.
26 sep à 9 h 37
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Quoting: JRoss
I disagree. I think the Leafs window is closing and having the option to retain on Severson should get you more than what Kapanen got. I would say something along the lines of 15th and Liljegren.
And they are not going to cost you any assets because they are free agents. But I still think financially the leafs will struggle Signing those guys for fair contracts.
When people are saying that Not many teams Are going after defenceman because of the cap situation but yet a team like the leafs who have arguably the worst cap position in the league are going out for defenceman doesn’t that mean that other teams can possibly go after them.


Leafs core is all under 26 except Tavares and arguably Muzzin.. they have at least 5-6 years of a window left. Pittsburgh's is down to 2-3 at most. Leafs are fine. Sign a free agent like Tanev or Demelo. Fits the teams needs better and doesn't cost the young assets that will be needed to help the cap situation. There's no interest in Severson if the price has the 15th pick or Sandin/Liljegren in it. Rather pay that price plus a little more for a guy like Parayko or Ekblad who are far and away better than Severson.
26 sep à 9 h 44
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Quoting: Ryminister_27
Leafs core is all under 26 except Tavares and arguably Muzzin.. they have at least 5-6 years of a window left. Pittsburgh's is down to 2-3 at most. Leafs are fine. Sign a free agent like Tanev or Demelo. Fits the teams needs better and doesn't cost the young assets that will be needed to help the cap situation. There's no interest in Severson if the price has the 15th pick or Sandin/Liljegren in it. Rather pay that price plus a little more for a guy like Parayko or Ekblad who are far and away better than Severson.
far and away better. And far and away wanting more value. Then you have to worry about signing Reilly in a couple years. You want Parayko it’ll be a severe overpayment. Nylander 15th and another decent asset.
And the window has absolutely nothing to do with the age of the core. It all has to do with the cap. And the leafs have screwed themselves by putting all their eggs up front.
26 sep à 9 h 58
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Quoting: kscoop
Instead of trading for Palmieri the Bruins will just sign a UFA winger that will our produce him while not giving up an asset.


There's 2 options in FA, Hall and Hoffman both will cost 7+ million
26 sep à 10 h 00
#30
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Quoting: JRoss
I disagree. I think the Leafs window is closing and having the option to retain on Severson should get you more than what Kapanen got. I would say something along the lines of 15th and Liljegren.
And they are not going to cost you any assets because they are free agents. But I still think financially the leafs will struggle Signing those guys for fair contracts.
When people are saying that Not many teams Are going after defenceman because of the cap situation but yet a team like the leafs who have arguably the worst cap position in the league are going out for defenceman doesn’t that mean that other teams can possibly go after them.
There is already a report that Pittsburgh wants to sign Tanev.


Lol what are you yapping about , the window has barely cracked open it's not even remotely close to closing
26 sep à 10 h 03
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Quoting: JRoss
far and away better. And far and away wanting more value. Then you have to worry about signing Reilly in a couple years. You want Parayko it’ll be a severe overpayment. Nylander 15th and another decent asset.
And the window has absolutely nothing to do with the age of the core. It all has to do with the cap. And the leafs have screwed themselves by putting all their eggs up front.


I'll worry about Rielly in 2 years time, not all that concerned with Rielly at this time - if the window is truely"closing" Leafs should be going all in the next 2 seasons and not worry about Rielly and his next contract
26 sep à 10 h 20
#32
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Quoting: G0_Leafs_GO
Toronto hangs up straight away.


Quoting: keep_ups12
Jeez. I thought cap friendly was cool site. Severson for Thomas? Sandin and 15th overall for Severson? Lol I thought these bad trades were the leaf fans job


Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
These are all absurdly lopsided


Guys....read the intro. I pointed out that many of these were lopsided. I was trying to point out the "type of trade" NJD wants to do. Perhaps I did not articulate myself clearly.

.....Too many like this: overpaid 6th d-man + 4th line rental + AHLer + cap dump + 3rd round pick + 5th round pick
.....Too few like this: prospect + pick

Quoting: G0_Leafs_GO
Maybe for 15 OA and a mid-tier prospect like Kokkonen/Abramov


Maybe - but it is certainly the type of trade that would interest a rebuilding club more than what usually gets offered

Quoting: Ryminister_27
& Toronto laughs at you. You wouldn't get either prospect plus the 15th overall for Severson. If the pick is a necessity, you're looking at a lower tier prospect cause it's a deep draft this year. Severson isn't worth 2 top prospects.


The 15th overall and prospect is fine from TOR...doesn't have to be Sandin. It just can't be Holl, Dermott, Engvall, and a bunch of Marlies.

Quoting: ecupirate07
Bean and Nino for Palmieri, sure
Bean, Nino, and a first for Palmieri and a 3rd, no way.


Bean, Nino + 1st for Palms is a trade that CAR fans have agreed to a number of times on here....so I used that from memory. Make it next years pick....or 2nd and 2022 3rd...whatever, my point is NJD will be more interested in getting Bean....or whatever young player they can.
26 sep à 10 h 43
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Quoting: Ryminister_27
If you're looking for a 1st rounder outta him, you might be lucky to get just the pick. Wouldn't get a prospect in there. Severson is not good enough in his own end to get both. Sandin and a 1st gets closer to Parayko than Severson. What you're forgetting is that Pittsburgh's desperate to win before their window closes. That's why they slightly overpaid for Kapanen. Toronto's window isn't as small as Pittsburgh so they don't have to overspend for a mediocre upgrade. There's plenty of UFA options out there that would be a better upgrade for what Toronto needs and wouldn't cost any assets to give up. Pietrangelo, Tanev, Demelo, Gudas, etc are all better fits and don't cost any ridiculous assets to get.


What is the going price on Parayko?
I have seen Robertson/Liljegren/2020 1st...Sandin/Robertson/2020 1st.
If that is worth it, TML should do it.

And for what its worth, Severson is better offensively than Parayko. Hynes system really limited his play in offensive situations. Take power play, they tried for half the season to run 1-3-1 with single d-man as QB. Vatanen and Subban were the "1". It didn't go well. When Hynes was fired they went back to two d-man pinching down and Severson was included. He had 26 points in 43 games after Hynes was let go.

His defense is above average in transition....its down near the crease where he and other NJD d-man had issues. (This was true for all NJD d-men except Andy Greene and surprisingly at times Will Butcher...and maybe Mueller if he played).
26 sep à 11 h 08
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Pens decline. GMJR said Petterson is off limits and they wouldn’t trade 3 LHD after just acquiring a 73637366th one lol.
Maybe POJ, JJ, and a 2nd or 3rd or a later pick and Simon.
26 sep à 11 h 26
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Quoting: Pensfan89
Pens decline. GMJR said Petterson is off limits and they wouldn’t trade 3 LHD after just acquiring a 73637366th one lol.
Maybe POJ, JJ, and a 2nd or 3rd or a later pick and Simon.


I didn't see that...seems like a strange box to paint yourself into....with 5+ LHD on roster.

POJ, JJ, picks would likely be of interest to NJD.
26 sep à 12 h 14
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Quoting: NHLfan10506
I didn't see that...seems like a strange box to paint yourself into....with 5+ LHD on roster.

POJ, JJ, picks would likely be of interest to NJD.


Riikola can play the right side too. But yeah we have 5 LHD but losing 3 would put us down to 2 lol.
26 sep à 18 h 45
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Quoting: Boomer125
There's 2 options in FA, Hall and Hoffman both will cost 7+ million


Dadonov won’t cost that much.
26 sep à 22 h 25
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Quoting: kscoop
Dadonov won’t cost that much.


Dadonov won't bring close to what Palmieri brings and will cost in the 6ish range
26 sep à 22 h 49
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Quoting: Boomer125
Dadonov won't bring close to what Palmieri brings and will cost in the 6ish range


So what is Palmieri going to cost to re-up?
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