Yes... in 10 less games and 15 more in total , in ten less games. Varna’s deal is over next season. You act like he is signed for the next 5 years.

Leafs would not do marner vrana 1 for 1. The rest of the deal is just bad for the leafs.

Because Vrana has so few total points, he's not likely to get more than 5M or so in arbitration. I expect the Caps to give him 8yrsx6.5M or so.

You know who used to miss thirty games a year, but lead the league in points/game?

Marian Gaborik.

Mario Lemieux, if you’re going to be cocky do it right lol.

So which is it? Is he as good as marner and going to get paid or are we taking a lesser player?

You seem to want to have it both ways.

Each was top-10 at their position in even strength points this year. He's (edit: ALMOST) as good as Marner but not gonna get paid. And that's why you're not getting him for Marner. Make sense?*

2nd edit: Yeah, Lemieux was pretty good, in hindsight. He used to just beat the heck out of the Caps. Trip them and cross check them left and right and never got called for anything. Great skill player, too, but... if I brought up Lemieux, then YOU would win the argument.

*without also trading for Oshie at on-ice value, so the cap hits all balance.

You have some swamp land to sell me too?

Umm... Nope, I'm not only taking into consideration point totals; not sure where you get that from. I mentioned point totals, sure, because it's y'know... relevant.

Marner also wasn't an alternate captain when he signed and you can say 'locker room leader', but where is the evidence that Rantanen isn't? And if we're going to take things like tax rate into account, where's the mention of endorsement opportunities that Marner enjoys (heavily) here in Toronto that he wouldn't get to the same extent elsewhere?

I'm also not saying what Marner should have signed for (again, not sure where you got that from); it's in his best interest to sign for as much as he can get. He just got more than he's worth under the cap, which is about what Rantanen got.

This post is a response to a post offering Marner for Vrana plus Orlov. You know of Orlov, right? You've heard of him? Guy with, over the last five years, two more even strength points than Muzzin, in a similar role? I can't make this stuff up. I'm just trying to offer some realism and perspective.