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(PIT/FLA) - Hörnqvist for Matheson, Sceviour

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24 sep 2020 à 16 h 53
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24 sep 2020 à 16 h 54
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Not JoshAnderson17
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Easily FLA. Matheson's contract is too long
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24 sep 2020 à 16 h 55
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Modifié 26 sep 2020 à 22 h 57
Step right up, take your chance to rob a senile old man! It's all the rage, don't be left behind! Only costs crappy depth role players and you can have your way with this senile old man!

Edit: I just wanted to add to this. For some reason I cannot get the idea out of my head that the Pens are going to somehow turn Matheson into a decent player and have this trade work out for them. It will be in a weird way too, possibly by converting him to a LW.
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24 sep 2020 à 16 h 55
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New guy in town steals from senile old man more at 11
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24 sep 2020 à 16 h 55
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JR needs to be fired now!
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24 sep 2020 à 16 h 56
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What the heck Rutherford!! Hornqvist is our beloved hometown hero! He will be greatly missed.

Bye bye Horny!! Win for FLA imo.
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24 sep 2020 à 16 h 56
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So bad, so bad... Good god Rutherford is trying his hardest to make it look like he fluked into those cups.
24 sep 2020 à 16 h 57
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I think this is a rare Jim Rutherford WIN. For the record I think (and have thought for years now) he's a terrible GM, but there's ALOT to unpack in this trade. First for foremost. This trade has Coach Q written all over it! and I'm going to pat myself on the back here. I 100% predicted Matheson would fail under coach Q. Not only did his ATOI drop by 4 minutes...his February and March had a few single digit games and a bunch in the low teens. Coach Q can't help himself. If you're young and you turn the puck over...you're in the dog house. There is no development time for him. Coach Q is NEVER playing a run and gun...1st to 7 goals win...type of game.

I understand it's a risk, but you're going to get a guy in Matheson that fits your system. This isn't an insult at all...PIT is a run and gun team. That's how they win games. They're not beating people up. Their defense is...let's keep the puck in the offensive zone. If you let up 5 goals...not a problem in the world because we probably got 6. No shame in that! Matheson isn't winning a ton of board battles. He might be a bit weak against the cycle. WHATEVER! He can move the puck up the zone. That's all PIT cares about. I do think you'll see 40+ point seasons. The catch is once the HOFers leave....then what happens, but that's for a different post.

Hornqvist - He's Injury prone and let's not kid each other Crosby faces the shutdown line. Malkin 2nd then Hornqvist gets easy pickens. Now Florida is expecting a 33+ player to get better while getting older and needing to play against tougher competition....oh and more minutes? That's not a recipe for success. Florida can't replace Hoffman or Daddy with Hornqvist
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24 sep 2020 à 16 h 58
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Modifié 24 sep 2020 à 17 h 35
yeah i honestly love this trade for both teams
im in the minority, i know
Matheson was a gnarly player on a yikes contract, but he is at an age where rebounding will not be impossible. He signed this contract because he showed flashes of great talent. It's evident he didn't work in florida, so a new coach and a clean slate is perfect for him.

pens fans probably hate this trade now, but I think they will love it later.
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24 sep 2020 à 17 h 00
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They are both bad contracts but at least Hornqvist is a useful player right now. Another bad trade by JR
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24 sep 2020 à 17 h 00
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Dumb trades are easy
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Matheson might be the new Gostisbehere.
24 sep 2020 à 17 h 00
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I think this sums up this trade best


I can already see the dcore

Doumelin-Leteng
Petterson-Marino
Jack Johnsson-Matheson

whats next Letang to toronto for a 3rd round pick
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24 sep 2020 à 17 h 03
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jim rutherford stepping up his retirement speedrun
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24 sep 2020 à 17 h 03
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GMJR did it again, I think it's not nice to take advantage of a senile old man
24 sep 2020 à 17 h 04
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Florida straight up robbed JR on this one.
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24 sep 2020 à 17 h 04
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LMAO it actually went through... Amazing job from Zito.
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24 sep 2020 à 17 h 09
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Hörnqvist is 33. Matheson 26. PIT wins long-term
24 sep 2020 à 17 h 10
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24 sep 2020 à 17 h 11
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Another head scratcher from JR. Why not reclaim some cap space and target Taylor Hall in free agency or try to offer sheet one of the kids. This move, like almost all of JR's moves in the last few years, doesn't seem to make the Pens a better team in the short term or long term.
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24 sep 2020 à 17 h 12
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I miss clicked
24 sep 2020 à 17 h 13
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Man people love to hate the penguins. Matheson struggled in Florida and especially under coach Q, but he can skate well and move the puck and has a great shot. He could be a really good fit in Pittsburgh paired with Marino whose very steady defensively. It’s a high risk high reward trade sure cause of the length of contract, but if Matheson can find his game in pit, he’ll be a good top 4 D for us
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24 sep 2020 à 17 h 16
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Horny has 3 years remaining. If Mathesson goes bad he's a crushing contract for double the term. Also, Hornqvist could've been bought out or placed on LTIR. Rutherford is lost.
24 sep 2020 à 17 h 20
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There is absolutely no doubt I’ll be in the minority here but I like it for both sides, mostly PIT. I truly think Matheson can bounce back at least a bit.
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24 sep 2020 à 17 h 20
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Quoting: mhockey91
Man people love to hate the penguins. Matheson struggled in Florida and especially under coach Q, but he can skate well and move the puck and has a great shot. He could be a really good fit in Pittsburgh paired with Marino whose very steady defensively. It’s a high risk high reward trade sure cause of the length of contract, but if Matheson can find his game in pit, he’ll be a good top 4 D for us


unfortunately no room in the top 4 for him.... Dumo Letang Pettersson Marion. Just seems like a risk that they didnt need to take. i would understand if it was for a position of need but to risk a good consistent RW for a struggling LHD seems like a terrible idea. Horny is a 50 point 25 + goal guy.
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24 sep 2020 à 17 h 23
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Quoting: Capitalfail67
unfortunately no room in the top 4 for him.... Dumo Letang Pettersson Marion


They’re gonna probably trade one of petterson or dumo. They gotta role the dice with Matheson in the top 4 now. Unless they miraculously move JJ and run Petterson on the bottom pair
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