These underwhelming trades for laine don’t stop. Start with 2 of Dobson, pulock, and wahlstrom and we’ll talk

Jets decline 10 times out of 10

Start with 1 real quality asset (your first is gonna be late assumed, toews is vastly < than Laine and the prospect is alright)

I don't see anything in that deal that would tempt the Jets.

The red wings are not trading zetteberg at this time. It will take quite a bit more for us to accept ladd back in a deal. You are looking at multiple high picks and prospects.

Boychuck is bellows or Wilde + first for erne as well

Isles aren’t trading Toews

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Zetterberg’s contract is insured and LTIR so we’d be taking on Boychuk & Ladd for a 3rd and 4th round pick and ehh prospect. That’s a hard no.

That DET trade is awful. Z's actual salary is $1mm, and it's covered by insurance. Z can also be placed on LTIR and not cost DET anything in cap space (which they have plenty of). Ladd has a buyout proof contract (it's mostly signing bonuses). And you think that's only worth a 3rd? Try a 1st and a prospect. No one is going to take on that Ladd contract.

Accident, meant 2. I edited it and it become 32z finally got it down to 2 lol

I would trade pulock + bellows + 2022 2nd for Laine. Not saying Winnipeg would definitely accept, but taking into account opportunity cost and Laine next contract, that’s the most I’d give up.

Dobson even 1 for 1 doesnt make sense for the isles considering he’s on an ELC and will provide just as much value to the isles as Laine would, If not more.

Then the jets decline. Pulock is nice, but he isn’t l worth giving up laine for. The other pieces are meh

The jets aren’t shopping laine or ehlers and they likely won’t even be traded. Tsn puts players like that on the trade board every year and then people send quantity packages to that team like they are rebuilding on this site every year.

I’d argue pulock would provide more value than Laine, but the Jets should take advantage of laines name and goal scoring pedigree and get some team to overpay .

I don't know if you read the comments but you continue to make these crappy cap dump trades that aren't close to fair. Dumping Ladd or Boychuk starts with a 1st. Adding a 3rd or 4th isn't nearly enough incentive for another team to take 5+ million for 2+years.

Why are the Islanders taking Zetterberg?

I’ve said this before about pulock but he is a fringe number 1 guy imo. The guy has never broke 40 pts in a season with a role on the powerplay. His game is his defensive ability which is enhanced by playing in trotz’s system. The guy is also 25 so what you see is about what you are going to get with him.

Laine on the other hand is a high end top line winger already at 22. He will be a perennial 40+ goal scorer and is starting to round out his game. He was dominant at times this year and it’s only a matter of time before he becomes the jets’ best winger (if he already isn’t), and that is among a crop of names like ehlers, wheeler, and connor.

I like pulock but laine>>pulock

Detroit trades are terrible. Zetterberg isn't a contract swap, he's LTIR and an amazing asset for teams up against the cap. If you want that extra 6M in cap space you're gonna have to pay for it.

Actually pulock was more of an offensive defenseman before trotz. He was also on pace for 42 points this season. Trotz system doesn’t enhance anything, the coaching isolates have his system having an average impact defensively.

Laine has an elite shot but he also benefits from playing with great players. On another team without multiple talented wingers like WPG has, he might not be as productive.

Lmao, trotz’ defensive system is the best in the league hands down. He is the reason they went to the conference finals imo and that same system is why the caps won their cup in the tough year that they did. Pulock is probably a 35-45 pt defensemen when all is said and done, and tbh, I’d rather pay the 1st plus A prospect to get a player like that than pay laine for him lol.

“Laine is surrounded by great players”. He has spent the majority of his careeer playing with little (with whom he has no chemistry) and an alternating group of wingers. He had stafford with him in his rookie year and he still had 36 goals. If laine had a real centre or played with scheifele (without Connor - I’ll get to that later) for more than 20 games a season, I woudl say that’s acccurate but tbh, on even strength, he doesn’t have much support tbh. Especially this past season.

As for what I said with Connor, while Connor - scheifele - laine all produce a lot together I don’t like them together. Connor has a shoot 80% of the time mentality so laine becomes the playmaker on that line which isn’t the best use of his talents but also proves that laine is an all round talent that doesn’t just score goals.

Anyways, my point is that give laine the 1c that he would be playing with on the other 30 teams in the league and he would produce way more. So no, he would not be less productive on other teams

Laine >> pulock. Laine is younger, already worth at least as much as pulock in terms of player impact, and isnt even scratching the surface of his potential yet. Pulock imo is older and is already there imo.

If I’m the jets, I want much more than just pulock of laine. Sure if it was say, laine for Jones that would make much more sense. But pulock is no Jones. Laine will be a top 10 rw in the league if he isn’t already, so I’m sorry but laine >> pulock

Your comment on trotz is just not true. Trotz was lucky boychuks injury forced him to play Greene, which gave the islanders a lineup with no liabilities. One bad player can cripple a lineup, see jack Johnson on the pens. To be more specific , the coaching isolates have trotz having the 18th best defensive impact. His system is overrated and Mitch korn is a bigger reason for the isles success than trotz. This whole “trotz is a god” narrative is because of MSM and fans who don’t watch the isles just throw it out there in order to not give the players credit.

Pulock>Jones and it’s not close. Jones is the most overrated defenseman in the NHL. Demelo is better than him...

https://twitter.com/JFreshHockey/status/1301914286143537154?s=20

Read that article on Laine. That should clear things up

Lmao Jones is one of the best d-men in the league and is much better than pulock lol (again no knock to pulock)

As someone who has watched the caps before and after trotz, I am pretty comfortable with saying that trotz has the best defensive system in the league (Dallas and Arizona come close). But I guess u can chalk that up to opinion.

I have watched almost every single jets game for the last 5 years. Laine has progressively gotten better each year (including his “down year”. If he gets a year with ehlers and a capable 2c, look out nhl. I don’t see him being a perennial 50 goal scorer as unrealistic.

As for analytics, laine has and never will be a analytics darling. Most power forwards, especially goal scorers. That doesn’t change the fact that he is still one of the best wingers in the game. Imo sorry, but if you want laine, you are going to have to pay more than pulock.

I would consider pulock for Connor, but no way laine lmao. Let’s let the cf community decide...

I would take Connor over Laine - I would consider that trade.

Fair enough, personally I think laine> pulock but I guess that’s just me. But clearly Jones> pulock and demelo by most accounts.

I personally would rather have laine on my roster than pulock

Jones is extremely overrated - he’s a good defenseman no doubt, but he’s not a #1. He has been an average 2nd pairing D for the last 2 years. He plays a lot of minutes and he has a flashy skill set, that’s it.