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Créé par: Mr_Gardoki
Équipe: 2020-21 Penguins de Pittsburgh
Date de création initiale: 22 sept. 2020
Publié: 22 sept. 2020
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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WE'RE GIVING AWAY MURRAYS FOR FREE!
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RFAANSCAP HIT
55 500 000 $
33 750 000 $
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2800 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
11 000 000 $
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PIT
  1. Choix de 6e ronde en 2020 (SJS)
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PIT
  1. Strome, Ryan [Droits de RFA]
NYR
  1. McCann, Jared
  2. Choix de 2e ronde en 2021 (PIT)
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22 sept. 2020 à 20 h 58
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Cuz they just did
22 sept. 2020 à 20 h 58
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Rangers don’t need an extra winger as much as I’d like McCann. What about like a 4th or 3rd instead?
22 sept. 2020 à 20 h 59
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Quoting: KingLundqvist30
Rangers don’t need an extra winger as much as I’d like McCann. What about like a 4th or 3rd instead?


You accept the deal and flip McCann for a 2nd
22 sept. 2020 à 20 h 59
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Quoting: KingLundqvist30
Rangers don’t need an extra winger as much as I’d like McCann. What about like a 4th or 3rd instead?


McCann can play center and likely will be for the Pens. He's a cheaper option for you guys than Strome.
22 sept. 2020 à 21 h 0
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Cuz they just did


What? A free Murray? All they have to do is take one little bad contract and they have their goalie.
22 sept. 2020 à 21 h 11
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What? A free Murray? All they have to do is take one little bad contract and they have their goalie.


On here Jack Johnson is the worst contract ever signed in the history of the league and it would take 3 first rounders to trade him
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22 sept. 2020 à 21 h 21
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You accept the deal and flip McCann for a 2nd


You trade Strome for a 2nd, at best, but now McCann is getting you a 2nd??
22 sept. 2020 à 21 h 35
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You trade Strome for a 2nd, at best, but now McCann is getting you a 2nd??


Why wouldn't he...
22 sept. 2020 à 23 h 55
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Makes sense. McCann can play center and signed for just under 3 million. So let’s trade him and a 2nd for an overpaid Strome. Why pay to get rid of Johnson if we are just going to take on another bad contract?
23 sept. 2020 à 8 h 34
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Makes sense. McCann can play center and signed for just under 3 million. So let’s trade him and a 2nd for an overpaid Strome. Why pay to get rid of Johnson if we are just going to take on another bad contract?


I mean, why lock up a guy who's far better than McCann to lineup behind Sid and Geno for the rest of their career, right? Silly.
23 sept. 2020 à 10 h 17
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I mean, why lock up a guy who's far better than McCann to lineup behind Sid and Geno for the rest of their career, right? Silly.


Bc he's marginally better than McCann at best when not playing with the guy who's playing like best player in hockey (in the season, Panarin isn't the best player in the world rn) and is older and probably gonna make double what McCann makes
23 sept. 2020 à 10 h 41
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I mean, why lock up a guy who's far better than McCann to lineup behind Sid and Geno for the rest of their career, right? Silly.


Strome isn’t better than McCann. Strome’s career high in goals is 19. Same as McCann’s. Strome played last season with an elite winger and only had 18 goals. McCann played the majority of the season with guys like Hornqvist, Galchenyuk, Simon, and Tanev and only had 4 less goals. And that’s even with going into a goalless slump to end the season. Strome is overrated and going to cost a lot more than McCann for similar production at best.
23 sept. 2020 à 10 h 51
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Bc he's marginally better than McCann at best when not playing with the guy who's playing like best player in hockey (in the season, Panarin isn't the best player in the world rn) and is older and probably gonna make double what McCann makes


Quoting: Pensfan89
Strome isn’t better than McCann. Strome’s career high in goals is 19. Same as McCann’s. Strome played last season with an elite winger and only had 18 goals. McCann played the majority of the season with guys like Hornqvist, Galchenyuk, Simon, and Tanev and only had 4 less goals. And that’s even with going into a goalless slump to end the season. Strome is overrated and going to cost a lot more than McCann for similar production at best.


These are common arguments in evaluating players, but they're not a catch-all. Does a player with better players give you the chance to increase production? Of course, but does that mean every and any player can? Absolutely not.

Watching the Penguins through the Sid/Geno era has seen a revolving door of wingers for those guys. If this type of argument were true, then there shouldn't have been a revolving door. You can't say because Player X did this there that Player Y will do this here. Strome put up McCann-like numbers playing on TERRIBLE Islander teams and mediocre Oiler team. McCann is putting up old Strome numbers on good Penguins teams. Mind you, I like McCann and think he's perfectly capable. Strome's ability on the 3rd line of a good Penguins team has more potential for higher output amongst him and his linemates. The underlying stats also don't lie.

Again, I'm not saying you guys are necessarily wrong, but the basis for you argument is just not strong.
23 sept. 2020 à 11 h 2
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These are common arguments in evaluating players, but they're not a catch-all. Does a player with better players give you the chance to increase production? Of course, but does that mean every and any player can? Absolutely not.

Watching the Penguins through the Sid/Geno era has seen a revolving door of wingers for those guys. If this type of argument were true, then there shouldn't have been a revolving door. You can't say because Player X did this there that Player Y will do this here. Strome put up McCann-like numbers playing on TERRIBLE Islander teams and mediocre Oiler team. McCann is putting up old Strome numbers on good Penguins teams. Mind you, I like McCann and think he's perfectly capable. Strome's ability on the 3rd line of a good Penguins team has more potential for higher output amongst him and his linemates. The underlying stats also don't lie.

Again, I'm not saying you guys are necessarily wrong, but the basis for you argument is just not strong.


No McCann is 3 years younger and is a consistent 35 point player playing 3rd line minutes with mediocre players. Strome when playing with mediocre players and 3rd line minutes is a consistent 35 point player. The difference is that Strome is about to get paid double what McCann makes because he got moved up to 2nd line minutes playing pretty much all of the season with an elite player like Panarin. He isn’t going to play with Crosby or Malkin. And he isn’t going to play with any top 6 players. He will likely play with Hornqvist and Simon/Poulin at best. The difference between Crosby and Malkin is that those guys actually made the other players better. Strome simply got a bunch of assists last year playing with an elite goal scorer. For a cap strapped team, I’ll take the cheaper player when the choice is between two similar players.
23 sept. 2020 à 11 h 20
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No McCann is 3 years younger and is a consistent 35 point player playing 3rd line minutes with mediocre players. Strome when playing with mediocre players and 3rd line minutes is a consistent 35 point player. The difference is that Strome is about to get paid double what McCann makes because he got moved up to 2nd line minutes playing pretty much all of the season with an elite player like Panarin. He isn’t going to play with Crosby or Malkin. And he isn’t going to play with any top 6 players. He will likely play with Hornqvist and Simon/Poulin at best. The difference between Crosby and Malkin is that those guys actually made the other players better. Strome simply got a bunch of assists last year playing with an elite goal scorer. For a cap strapped team, I’ll take the cheaper player when the choice is between two similar players.


We're going to have to agree to disagree here.
 
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