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Ideal

Créé par: desertdog111
Date de création initiale: sep 22, 2020
Publié: 22 sep 2020 à 17 h 51
Équipe: 2020-21 Coyotes de l'Arizona
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
LISTE DE RÉSERVEANSCAP HIT
Puljujärvi, Jesse11 500 000 $
RFAANSCAP HIT
Capobianco, Kyle1800 000 $
Fischer, Christian1800 000 $
Gross, Jordan1800 000 $
Smereck, Jalen1800 000 $
Bear, Ethan23 000 000 $
Transactions
ARI
    ANA
    1. 2021 1e round pick (ARI)
    2. 2020 2e round pick (ARI)
    ARI
    1. Bear, Ethan [Droits de RFA]
    2. Puljujärvi, Jesse [Liste de réserve]
    3. 2020 1e round pick (EDM)
    4. 2021 3e round pick (EDM)
    EDM
    1. Ekman-Larsson, Oliver
    ARI
    1. Rubtsov, German
    2. Gostisbehere, Shayne
    3. 2020 2e round pick (PHI)
    PHI
    1. Oesterle, Jordan
    2. 2021 4e round pick (PIT)
    ARI
    1. McBain, Jack [Liste de réserve]
    2. 2021 3e round pick (MIN)
    MIN
    1. Stepan, Derek (3 000 000 $ retained)
    2. Raanta, Antti
    ARI
    1. Gourde, Yanni
    TBL
    1. Demers, Jason (1 000 000 $ retained)
    Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
    • Derek Stepan: 3 000 000 $ (46.15%)
    • Jason Demers: 1 000 000 $ (25.4%)
    ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
    2020
    EDM
    PHI
    ARI
    ARI
    ARI
    ARI
    2021
    ARI
    EDM
    MIN
    ARI
    ARI
    ARI
    ARI
    2022
    ARI
    ARI
    ARI
    ARI
    ARI
    ARI
    ARI
    TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
    2281 500 000 $73 413 617 $196 951 $1 750 000 $8 086 383 $
    Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
    ARI
    Garland, Conor
    775 000 $
    AG, AD
    RFA - 1
    ARI
    Schmaltz, Nick
    5 850 000 $
    C
    UFA - 6
    ARI
    Kessel, Phil
    6 800 000 $
    AD
    NMC NTC
    UFA - 2
    ARI
    Keller, Clayton
    7 150 000 $
    AD, AG
    UFA - 8
    ARI
    Dvorak, Christian
    4 450 000 $
    C, AG
    UFA - 5
    Puljujärvi, Jesse
    1 500 000 $
    AD
    RFA - 2
    ARI
    Grabner, Michael
    3 350 000 $
    AG, AD
    NTC
    UFA - 1
    ARI
    Hayton, Barrett
    894 167 $
    C, AG
    RFA - 2
    TBL
    Gourde, Yanni
    5 166 666 $
    C, AG, AD
    NTC
    UFA - 5
    ARI
    Crouse, Lawson
    1 533 333 $
    AG
    RFA - 2
    ARI
    Pederson, Lane
    735 000 $
    C
    RFA - 1
    ARI
    Fischer, Christian
    800 000 $
    AD, AG
    RFA - 2
    Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
    ARI
    Chychrun, Jakob
    4 600 000 $
    DG
    UFA - 5
    ARI
    Goligoski, Alex
    5 475 000 $
    DG/DD
    NTC
    UFA - 1
    ARI
    Kuemper, Darcy
    4 500 000 $
    G
    UFA - 2
    PHI
    Gostisbehere, Shayne
    4 500 000 $
    DG
    UFA - 3
    Bear, Ethan
    3 000 000 $
    DD
    RFA - 2
    ARI
    Hill, Adin
    800 000 $
    G
    RFA - 1
    ARI
    Capobianco, Kyle
    800 000 $
    DG
    RFA - 2
    ARI
    Hjalmarsson, Niklas
    5 000 000 $
    DG/DD
    NMC
    UFA - 1
    Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
    ARI
    Bunting, Michael
    737 500 $
    AG
    UFA - 1
    ARI
    Hossa, Marián
    5 275 000 $
    AD
    NMC
    UFA - 1
    ARI
    Gross, Jordan
    800 000 $
    DD
    RFA - 1

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    22 sep 2020 à 17 h 53
    #1
    Hey Beter
    Rejoint: oct 2017
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    Edmonton sees your offer for a declining defenceman and politely asks you to pound sand.
    22 sep 2020 à 17 h 55
    #2
    Rejoint: mar 2017
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    So the flyers give up the better player, the better pick, and the prospect, for 3 million in cap space? Seems like a no for me.
    22 sep 2020 à 17 h 56
    #3
    Rejoint: avr 2019
    Messages: 974
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    I think Philly could get a pick for Ghost with out having to give anything up as his contract isn't terrible and considering he'll be healthy next season teams might be more interested. If the player was jVR I could see something like that going out to get him off the books but not Ghost
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    22 sep 2020 à 18 h 00
    #4
    Démarrer sujet
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    Quoting: BeterChiarelli
    Edmonton sees your offer for a declining defenceman and politely asks you to pound sand.


    Like it or not this is far more realistic than Chiasson and Russell for OEL
    22 sep 2020 à 18 h 01
    #5
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    Quoting: ALitteral
    So the flyers give up the better player, the better pick, and the prospect, for 3 million in cap space? Seems like a no for me.


    I saw someone else propose this trade earlier. Best case I can make for it is it clears cap space for a potential Pietro run
    22 sep 2020 à 18 h 02
    #6
    Hey Beter
    Rejoint: oct 2017
    Messages: 3,468
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    Quoting: desertdog111
    Like it or not this is far more realistic than Chiasson and Russell for OEL


    Who's suggesting Chiasson and Russell?

    The deals I keep seeing are much more in line of Nurse, either the 2020 or 2021 1sts, and one of Kassian, Neal, or Russell. Given that OEL has a big contract and isn't the proven commodity he once was, that's more than enough for him as it is, and I'd argue the value's short on Arizona's side.

    The package you're offering could likely land Ekblad. OEL isn't worth that package.
    22 sep 2020 à 18 h 05
    #7
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    Quoting: BeterChiarelli
    Who's suggesting Chiasson and Russell?

    The deals I keep seeing are much more in line of Nurse, either the 2020 or 2021 1sts, and one of Kassian, Neal, or Russell. Given that OEL has a big contract and isn't the proven commodity he once was, that's more than enough for him as it is, and I'd argue the value's short on Arizona's side.

    The package you're offering could likely land Ekblad. OEL isn't worth that package.


    Those packages don’t do it either. No interest in Neal Kassian or Russell. I’d switch Bear for Nurse in this deal and drop the 3rd but that’s it
    22 sep 2020 à 18 h 10
    #8
    Hey Beter
    Rejoint: oct 2017
    Messages: 3,468
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    Quoting: desertdog111
    Those packages don’t do it either. No interest in Neal Kassian or Russell. I’d switch Bear for Nurse in this deal and drop the 3rd but that’s it


    Then you're overvaluing OEL or undervaluing Nurse and/or Edmonton's 1st in either year. Teams don't just take on an $8M hit for the hell of it: Arizona would be expected to take something else back - likely to your chagrin - such that the hits out and in were relatively even.
    22 sep 2020 à 18 h 17
    #9
    Go Wings Go
    Rejoint: jun 2016
    Messages: 28,999
    Mentions "j'aime": 6,704
    Gourde isn't waiving for Arizona, And beside why would ownership want a 3rd line player making $5,166,666 for the next 5 years?
    22 sep 2020 à 18 h 21
    #10
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    Quoting: BeterChiarelli
    Then you're overvaluing OEL or undervaluing Nurse and/or Edmonton's 1st in either year. Teams don't just take on an $8M hit for the hell of it: Arizona would be expected to take something else back - likely to your chagrin - such that the hits out and in were relatively even.


    Swapping Nurse for OEL equates to a $2.65 increase in cap for EDM. Coyotes are not making a trade in which they increase their cap especially for term like all of those players you mentioned would do
    22 sep 2020 à 18 h 24
    #11
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    Quoting: DiehardRedWingsFan58
    Gourde isn't waiving for Arizona, And beside why would ownership want a 3rd line player making $5,166,666 for the next 5 years?


    He’s been good in the playoffs and would be a good player to help Hayton learn how to play center. The term does scare me but if he can play like he has this playoffs I’d say it’s worth it. But switch in Johnson/Killorn in this deal I’d still do it.
    22 sep 2020 à 18 h 26
    #12
    Hey Beter
    Rejoint: oct 2017
    Messages: 3,468
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    Quoting: desertdog111
    Swapping Nurse for OEL equates to a $2.65 increase in cap for EDM. Coyotes are not making a trade in which they increase their cap especially for term like all of those players you mentioned would do


    Which is exactly why Russell's usually thrown in these deals. But you are mistaken about a crucial detail:

    Arizona wants to cut cash dollars, not cap. Edmonton doesn't care about cash dollars, but is restricted by the cap ceiling. Russell's owed 37.5% of his cap hit in actual dollars. That's an enticing contract for a once-again cash-strapped Coyotes franchise.

    Nurse and a 1st straight up for OEL is too costly. Toss in Russell, a worthwhile move for both franchises, and its very much more tolerable.
    22 sep 2020 à 18 h 34
    #13
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    Quoting: BeterChiarelli
    Which is exactly why Russell's usually thrown in these deals. But you are mistaken about a crucial detail:

    Arizona wants to cut cash dollars, not cap. Edmonton doesn't care about cash dollars, but is restricted by the cap ceiling. Russell's owed 37.5% of his cap hit in actual dollars. That's an enticing contract for a once-again cash-strapped Coyotes franchise.

    Nurse and a 1st straight up for OEL is too costly. Toss in Russell, a worthwhile move for both franchises, and its very much more tolerable.


    Fair enough. But it doesn’t address AZ’s core need, which is offense. They can address it through the draft pick but I’d like to think they want to get someone they can plug in the lineup and play now, which is why I added JP. To be honest I don’t know his value (I’m not sure anyone does tbh, scoring in the Finnish league is great but his NHL track record speaks for itself)
     
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