Zibanejad>kuzy

Buddy, you're gonna wanna delete this. The rangers are giving up the 2 most valuable pieces in the trade.

I'm sure Rangers would say no. Mika has been stellar for them and Fox is their D man for the future.

Krug would stay in Boston for 5 x 7 He wants to get paid probably looking at 6 x 8 or 7 x 8 to sign Krug.

Pretty sure that if you swapped Jensen to Carlson NYR would still decline that offer.

Both Dadonov and Krug get more.

Is Fox supposed to = Jensen and a 2nd in this trade? Aside from that Zibanejad is better than Kuzy. Just doesn't make sense at all

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I wouldn't trade Fox for that package lmao and then you include the guy who scored 41 goals in 57 games.

At what? Defense and faceoffs? Kuznetsov got 32 points in the 2018 postseason. That's top-ten, all-time, and 2nd among active players.

Kuznetsov has 27 goals and 62 points in 78 career playoff games. Over an 82 game season, that's a 65 point pace.

Zibanejad has 5 goals and 19 points in 31 career playoff games. Over an 82 game season, that's a 50 point pace.



It might, if you thought about what makes Kuznetsov valuable, and considered whether or not the Rangers want a championship. It might if you imagined how good a line of Panarin, Kuznetsov, and Buchnevich would be. No. Fox makes up the difference between Zibanejad and Kuznetsov. Jensen and a 2nd are sweeteners.

are you trying to rationalize this trade?

Nah. I'm passing on it, too. Caps want a championship.

Fox is not the difference between Zibanejad and Kuzy, especially since Kuzy has fallen off since 2018 and Zibanejad just had the best season of his career

It's not exactly a good idea to compare playoff statistics of a player from a recent contender and a player that has played throughout his career in rebuilding teams.

With that logic, I could say that Jason Dickinson is a superior player to Jack Eichel.

But yeah, Zibanejad had the highest Goals Per Game ratio in the whole league with 41 goals in 57 games. He's easily more valuable than Kuznetsov is, who's yet to manage score a single 30 goal year.

And it's not like Ziba is a sniper for that matter. He's just a very effective player, which isn't exactly something I like to admit because I dislike the Rangers.

Kuznetsov led the 2018 playoffs in points, and played them on a 40 goal pace. He's pretty good under pressure. I agree that Zibanejad is good at hockey.

How effective would a line of Panarin, Kuznetsov, and Buchnevich be? Could you safely assume that three quick, creative, Russian-speaking forwards could communicate well together and make good plays? I think Panarin and Kuznetsov each break 100 points on that line, for a few years.

Kuzy scoring a high amount of points in the best team in the league couple of years ago doesn't mean much by now. His latest campaign was a disappointment...

By the same token you could ask how many points Panarin-Ziba-Buch line would make. Sadly, there's no answer to that, because they don't play together.

Panarin almost managed to break 100 points with Ryan f*cking Strome in a shortened season, so breaking 100 points should be relatively easy feat for him with any better centre. It's more about how much Panarin would have to carry Kuzy in that line...

Wait... so Panarin can get close to 100 points with Ryan Strome and you're saying Kuzy is a downgrade?... He has unbelievable puck handling skills and an is an amazing two way player in my opinion. He and Panarin on the same line would be unstoppable. It is no surprise either than Panarin playing with another Russian on his line communicating and playing a similar game together would up his production even more. Ziba and Panarin don't play together because their play styles are virtually incompatible and I think it would be a superstar bottleneck. I agree that this deal favors the Caps but only because of what a good deal the Rangers are getting on Ziba. How do you like my edit? I dropped Fox in the deal, added a first rounder and traded Jensen for Jokiharju?



This is exactly what I am saying. Especially with what New York could get back for their first rounder. The delusion of Rangers fans that they are still "rebuilding" is getting a little hard to watch... they need guys who have been there before and can take the team to the next level in Veteran experience. They paid out for Panarin and have a strong core in Trouba, Jensen is a great add for some grit. If they keep trading or losing veterans (Shattenkirk) while they wait for young talent to "mature" than they will continue their Sisyphean quest to be legendary at Round 1 exits.

It might, if you thought about what makes Kuznetsov valuable, and considered whether or not the Rangers want a championship. It might if you imagined how good a line of Panarin, Kuznetsov, and Buchnevich would be. No. Fox makes up the difference between Zibanejad and Kuznetsov. Jensen and a 2nd are sweeteners. Quoting Eli on that one. He makes my point perfectly and succinctly.

Kuzy is by no means a downgrade from Strome. What I meant by that comment is that I don't see Kuzy having that big of an effect towards Panarin's numbers, but rather I'd see Panarin's presence having a much greater influence in Kuznetsov's numbers. Panarin's probably the best of his position in the entire league, so it doesn't really matter who he's playing with. He'll produce even by himself if necessary.

As for the trades, I'm not a fan. NYR has no reason to move Zibanejad. The reason why NYR doesn't use Ziba and Panarin in the same line is because both can produce accordingly without each other's presence, but with Kuzy I don't see that to be the case. Kuzy would fill the Strome's place, but he absolutely wouldn't fill the hole moving Zibanejad would create.

Adding to the pile the $2,5M cap difference which isn't ideal for NYR as they also need cap room, I don't think this deal would come to fruition. It doesn't benefit NYR enough.

As for the Jensen for Jokiharju swap, it's an easy no from BUF. Jokiharju's their best RHD in terms of value, and it's only a matter of time before that holds water in terms of level as well. To put it exaggeratedly, it's more or less equivalent of BUF offering Girgensons in exchange to McMichael.

Thanks. I think now you might be overpaying, just a bit. Curious what others feel.

Rangers fan offers for Kuznetsov in recent comments sections have gotten as high as Strome, Deangelo, and a late 1st. Or Strome and Trouba. Or Trouba and a 1st. It's not that they don't want him. They just also want Zibanejad. If you want to sell them on a center rotation of Kuznetsov, Strome, Chytil, Howden, maybe try building it from their side, so they can see that their team is improved. I think for the Caps to make a Zib-less Kuznetsov deal, value should be closer to Strome, Chytil, and Trouba. But maybe I underrate Trouba due to his high cap hit and lack of offense.