NYR politely decline

I think Georgiev is overrated. NYR probably isn't very polite when they decline. He's a perfect backup for Shesterkin...

I only see the Cats moving down if someone is willing to take one of Matheson (most likely), Stralman, or Yandle (least likely as he has a NMC) if not they will pick the best defenseman or center available

Agree. Idk if he's overrated? More so because he has a high price tag due to NYR not exactly shopping him.

that's a very generous return on both strome and Murphy

I actually don’t mind these trades. I don’t think OTT accepts that unfortunately even if they cap wise could. Edmonton fans claim they don’t want caggs even though they sure could use him.

Last thought was on the georgiev. Honestly, I’m growing more distant on that one. Askarov, after watching more game film on him, is actually far closer to NHL ready then people think. If crow were to go for a two year deal, askarov could actually be ready by then. He really is that special.

Caggiula is a good kid but we no longer have a spot for him, Oilers decline.

Your bottom 6 is awful, you guys could absolutely use Caggs, just watching him play against your bottom 6 versus ours it was obvious he was one of the better guys on the ice.

Due respect, but if your bottom six couldn’t kampf, caggs, and highmore, you really should think about having caggs. There just wasn’t enough fight in your bottom six.

Re: Murphy; maybe the 2nd and 3rd get removed but I don't think the Hawks do it for the 15th OA.
Re: Strome; maybe remove the 3rd and Vesy but I don't think the Hawks do it. Why take a gamble on Lundell when they already have Strome?

For teams that are trying to win now or in the next 2 seasons, waiting on gambling on draft picks isn't wise. Picks are often too highly rated on this website, we saw that with the Kapanen trade and even though PIT overpaid, even still Kap gets a 1st all day long despite being on pace for only 15 goals this season and never breaking 20 goals in his career. All this while every team knew Toronto had to move cap money. The point is, 1st round picks fans pretend like they are gold when the reality is they are all gambles. Historically, top 20 picks in the draft have about a 33% chance of becoming a NHL regular player...that's pretty low when you think about it which is why the Hawks shouldn't take just a mid 1st for a top 4 physical RHD when they are in short supply in the league, and why a bonafide 23 year old 2C is worth more then the #10 pick alone.

Stop sending drake back to Edmonton. Not going to happen.

I wouldn't mind the hawks going this route. I just don't see the current roster as a contender this year so we might as well collect some more assets

Our main issue in the bottom 6 is we need an upgrade at 3C. Caggiula might be an upgrade on the wing but there are likely many other options, so I wouldn't pay a pick for him.

Caggs has been well loved by Chicago but with Shaw coming back, they are essentially the same type of player and we have too many other guys under contract already. That said, watching our bottom 6 destroy your bottom 6 in the playoffs, it was obvious you guys need help. There are 3 of you Oilers fans that don't want Caggs back which is shocking given how well he does in a bottom 6 role and how bad the Oilers are in the bottom 6. That is your weakest link and here's a guy that is cheap and grinds it out perfectly in that role.

At the end, hardly matters as there are plenty of teams that would pick him up for a 4th. Just makes no sense a few of your guys wouldn't want him a utility player like him and especially one that knows the lockerroom. All I can say is if you guys don't like him, then he wasn't used correctly in his time in Edmonton because again, he is well liked here.

He was well liked in EDM. Sucked to see him get traded. But they can just sign another UFA at league minimum and not spend the draft pick on him.

The break between the end of the season and playoffs definitely hurt our momentum. Chicago's experience was the clear difference. However, it was Crawford who won the series for you guys. He stood on his head.

It was Crow but also the bottom 6. All the analysts were talking about the bottom 6 play saying Chicago is simply a deeper team up front.

Okay so we're going to ignore that Pietrangelo, Gudas, Tanev, DeMelo etc are not in UFA. Why give a 1st when you can sign 1 for free (except the cap hit of course). Also yes draft picks are guessing game usually but this year the draft is DEEP with prospects. And I don't see a team giving up a shot at 1 of them for a guy that's not that special and better cheaper forms of him in FA.

Murphy to Toronto does make sense to me as Blackhawks fan. Singed for two more seasons at 3.85M, middle pair RHD. Improves their D which was an issue last season for them and there's a few holes due to free agency.
I see the Leafs window for a Cup is now, not in 3 years when the 15OA is going to actually contribute. I don't know that Leafs fans see it the same way and I don't how long they think their window is going to be open for (hint, it's not 6 years from now). I do get they probably haven't watched a lot of Murphy, so to them he might be just some bottom pair or 7th who's probably not as good as Dermott or whoever that's either an RFA or UFA. It's my only two thoughts on why they seem offended at the thought of improving their D at a very reasonable cap hit of $3.8M and the cost of a 15OA pick that in all likelihood will not help their current core win the Cup.

Ok, i was reading a lot CHI threads where you ppl are claiming 15OA for Murphy but this one is to much.

Murphy is in the quality ball-park of Montour, who got late 1st ( 29OA ) and B prospect ( is he even ? ). Please dont act like TML homers that you ppl like to mock so much......

You can certainly sign Pietrangelo for 2 1/2 times Murphy and no doubt he's worth it but Leafs certainly have to shed cap to do that.

You also sign Gudas and Tanev who are on the wrong side of 30 and their play will decline.

DeMelo is closest to Murphy but I'd take Murphy every day of the week over DeMelo and not think twice about it and he'll cost about the same as Murphy.

Yes, you can get players without giving up assets other then cap but there's obviously a lot more to it then that.

Anaheim did trade Montour for a conditional 2019 pick (it did turn out to be a late first) + a prospect at the TDL with only 1 full season of term remaining at 3.375M. Years remaining under contract matters in trades. Granted not as much as talent but term/cap hit is a factor. As far as Guhle, 51st overall in 2015, was age 21 at the time of the trade...he might be offended at B prospect but based on games played he's a bottom pair D at best? Some D do take longer to develop.

Aware of Montour being a rental but then again...what about 3,38M against 3,85M if we go knit-picking.....as i said before....Murphy is 2021 1st + Malgin-kind of return, in no case 15OA and 2021 2nd....that was my point.

Actualy my offer in one of un-published simulations was 2021 1st + Johnsson

It's not knit-picking, another year on a deal makes a big difference offering twice the value versus a 1 year. Your come back is a difference of $50K against the cap? Okay well the cap went up the year after so actually Montour at the time was a bit more expensive when considered % of total cap. Come on dude, be better then this, you'd be blind to not understand an extra year is huge in trade value versus 1 year.

And NO, we want nothing to do with Johnsson. He'd have a hard time making our top 9 and at $3.4M, coming off a bad injury, and only on pace for 15 goals prior to the injury he is nothing but negative value to the Hawks.

Pietrangelo you get no matter the cost. If he wants to sign here Dubas better do everything in his power to do so and everyone not named Matthews, Nylander, Hyman, Rielly, Campbell, Sandin and Muzzin are all trade bait.

Gudas and Tanev arent getting long term deals anyway and Gudas or Tanev aren't making huge money so they either play out the contract (if injured they go on LTIR) and if they arent a fit they'll be tradeable contracts come next year.

I dont see DeMelo as a game breaker so I don't see him making north of 3.5 unless it's a long term deal. I would take DeMelo cause he doesn't cost a pick to sign. Even if Murphy is better which I'm not sold on... he's not worth DeMelo and an B+ or better prospect.

Its 500k which is bit more right ? Almost and additional player on roster or actually it can be considered 1y Term on lower contracts below 5M......Again, rental vs 2 years noone is dening the difference, its just it should be 2021 1st ( so the "conditional one" ) and not the defined one of 2020 as 15 OA.

I understand you dont want to have nothing with Johnsson, i was trying to show what kind of return it should be, so 3rd liner who can net 30 points even if not leetching on Matthews ( which is better asset then Guhle in Montours trade )