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Équipe: 2020-21 Capitals de Washington
Date de création initiale: 21 sept. 2020
Publié: 21 sept. 2020
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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Some Penguins fans keep posting Eller and Orlov for Letang, and then deleting it. When pressed on why the Caps give up a younger, defensively better Orlov for an injury prone Letang who averages four more even strength points per year than Orlov, over the last five years, at a 2.5M higher cap hit, Pens fans insist that the Caps' GM wants Letang, and then ask casual Caps fans why.

Why? We don't know. If the Caps, who are already arguably stronger at defense, goal and wing than center, are trying to trade their #2 defenseman and their #3 center for a different #2 defenseman, it would have to mean they have some kind of really great deal out there to swap their #1 defenseman out for a #1 center.

So let's try to guess what that could be.

I'll start, but in the comments, everybody please propose the most ridiculous Carlson trade you can imagine. Best if it targets a center, but really, Carlson for the moon and stars. Do I hear Draisaitl? Carlson and some stuff for Couturier? Is there enough value on this roster to trade for Eichel? Hit me with ideas.
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RFAANSCAP HIT
3850 000 $
3950 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
1800 000 $
1800 000 $
1800 000 $
1800 000 $
54 000 000 $
Transactions
1.
WSH
  1. Letang, Kris
  2. Choix de 3e ronde en 2020 (PIT)
  3. Choix de 2e ronde en 2021 (PIT)
PIT
  1. Eller, Lars
  2. Orlov, Dmitry
2.
WSH
  1. Andersen, Frederik
  2. Matthews, Auston
Détails additionnels:
(Andersen as a cap dump, obvs)
TOR
  1. Carlson, John
  2. Kuznetsov, Evgeny
  3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2020 (WSH)
Détails additionnels:
Sorry, Toronto fans. I know this isn't happening. Just pointing out that the first trade also doesn't make sense to me.
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2021
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2381 500 000 $79 342 629 $419 749 $732 500 $2 157 371 $

Formation

Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
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Ovechkin, Alex
9 538 462 $9 538 462 $
AG
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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Bäckström, Nicklas
9 200 000 $9 200 000 $
C
NMC
UFA - 5
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Oshie, T.J.
5 750 000 $5 750 000 $
AD
M-NTC
UFA - 5
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Vrána, Jakub
3 350 000 $3 350 000 $
AG
UFA - 1
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Matthews, Auston
11 640 250 $11 640 250 $
C
UFA - 4
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Wilson, Tom
5 166 667 $5 166 667 $
AD
M-NTC
UFA - 4
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Hagelin, Carl
2 750 000 $2 750 000 $
AG
UFA - 3
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Boyd, Travis
850 000 $850 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 1
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Pánik, Richard
1 375 000 $1 375 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 3
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Exempté du ballottageMcMichael, Connor
894 167 $894 167 $
AG, C
RFA - 4
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Dowd, Nic
750 000 $750 000 $
C
UFA - 2
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Hathaway, Garnet
1 500 000 $1 500 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 3
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Sgarbossa, Michael
700 000 $700 000 $
C
UFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
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Siegenthaler, Jonas
950 000 $950 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
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Letang, Kris
7 250 000 $7 250 000 $
DD
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 2
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Samsonov, Ilya
925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance600 000 $$600K)
G
UFA - 1
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Kempný, Michal
2 500 000 $2 500 000 $
DG
UFA - 2
Barrie, Tyson
4 000 000 $4 000 000 $
DD
UFA - 1
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Vanecek, Vitek
716 667 $716 667 $
G
UFA - 2
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Fehérváry, Martin
791 667 $791 667 $ (Bonis de performance132 500 $$132K)
DG/DD
RFA - 3
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Jensen, Nick
2 500 000 $2 500 000 $
DD
UFA - 3
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Andersen, Frederik
5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
G
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Hutton, Ben
800 000 $800 000 $
DG
UFA - 1

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21 sept. 2020 à 12 h 7
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carlson and kuznetsov for Drai and a 2nd
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carlson and kuznetsov for Drai and a 2nd


Done.
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Done.


i wanna see how this works
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i wanna see how this works


It's just like the above team, but with more cap space.
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Carlson and Kuznetsov for Draisaitl and Klefbom
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Carlson and Kuznetsov for Draisaitl and Klefbom


Love it. What do you think of the Letang deal above?
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Carlson and Kuznetsov for Draisaitl and Klefbom


to unfair
gotta add mcdavid to that deal
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Love it. What do you think of the Letang deal above?


I think it’s dumb for both sides. The pens only have 2 right shot defensemen. So trading the guy that plays 25-30 minutes a night and in all situations for another left shot defenseman that we have 483726493635 of seems a bit stupid to me. And Washington already has Carlson for only 750k more who is in his prime right now. I’m sure they don’t want to bring in Letang to replace him. And Letang wouldn’t go anywhere where he would possibly be a second pair defenseman except maybe Montreal. If the pens were to trade Letang, they might as well blow it up if they aren’t getting at least another top 4 RHD+ in return.
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I think it’s dumb for both sides. The pens only have 2 right shot defensemen. So trading the guy that plays 25-30 minutes a night and in all situations for another left shot defenseman that we have 483726493635 of seems a bit stupid to me. And Washington already has Carlson for only 750k more who is in his prime right now. I’m sure they don’t want to bring in Letang to replace him. And Letang wouldn’t go anywhere where he would possibly be a second pair defenseman except maybe Montreal. If the pens were to trade Letang, they might as well blow it up if they aren’t getting at least another top 4 RHD+ in return.


Agree the Pens get thin on RHD. Lemme try to build their side.

I don't like adding Letang as #2RD behind Carlson, but if Carlson and Kuznetsov can really land Drai, then I think the Caps have avoided a rebuild: when Ovechkin, Backstrom, and Letang retire, Washington is left with a top line of Vrana, Draisaitl, Wilson, a top pair of Fehervary and Alexeyev, and probably Samsonov in net.

But I think you're overlooking just how many average, run of the mill, 18-19 minute RHD are available in UFA this summer. With a flat cap, a lot of them are going to be cheap. Pittsburgh could make this trade, sign Krug at 8.5M, and then sign Ceci at 1M, and be just fine at RD.
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Agree the Pens get thin on RHD. Lemme try to build their side.

I don't like adding Letang as #2RD behind Carlson, but if Carlson and Kuznetsov can really land Drai, then I think the Caps have avoided a rebuild: when Ovechkin, Backstrom, and Letang retire, Washington is left with a top line of Vrana, Draisaitl, Wilson, a top pair of Fehervary and Alexeyev, and probably Samsonov in net.

But I think you're overlooking just how many average, run of the mill, 18-19 minute RHD are available in UFA this summer. With a flat cap, a lot of them are going to be cheap. Pittsburgh could make this trade, sign Krug at 8.5M, and then sign Ceci at 1M, and be just fine at RD.


Yeah but Ceci would be terrible in our system. I’d rather sign D that would fit. And I’d rather just keep Letang at 1.25 million cheaper than Krug. And maybe sign a guy like pysyk on a cheap deal.
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Yeah but Ceci would be terrible in our system. I’d rather sign D that would fit. And I’d rather just keep Letang at 1.25 million cheaper than Krug. And maybe sign a guy like pysyk on a cheap deal.


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Yeah but Ceci would be terrible in our system. I’d rather sign D that would fit. And I’d rather just keep Letang at 1.25 million cheaper than Krug. And maybe sign a guy like pysyk on a cheap deal.


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Yeah but Ceci would be terrible in our system. I’d rather sign D that would fit. And I’d rather just keep Letang at 1.25 million cheaper than Krug. And maybe sign a guy like pysyk on a cheap deal.


My fault. Typo. Krug shoots lefty. 2nd RHD behind Pietrangelo is Barrie. Lack of defense should make him cheaper than Letang. I built a team with Barrie at 6M and Eller. Whether it's a better team depends on whether you evaluate how much skill a team has when healthy, or how many actual points you expect to get out of guys during a season and/or a postseason. I know Lemieux used to be so good when he showed up that it literally didn't matter that he had to miss two thirds of a season; he was still too valuable to trade. I'm not sure I see Letang in quite that category. Crosby? Yes. Guentzel? Undecided.
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My fault. Typo. Krug shoots lefty. 2nd RHD behind Pietrangelo is Barrie. Lack of defense should make him cheaper than Letang. I built a team with Barrie at 6M and Eller. Whether it's a better team depends on whether you evaluate how much skill a team has when healthy, or how many actual points you expect to get out of guys during a season and/or a postseason. I know Lemieux used to be so good when he showed up that it literally didn't matter that he had to miss two thirds of a season; he was still too valuable to trade. I'm not sure I see Letang in quite that category. Crosby? Yes. Guentzel? Undecided.


I still wouldn’t trade Letang. I think Barrie is quite the drop off from Letang. He’d be a solid number 2 but we already have Marino on an entry level contract there. And I don’t think Marino is quite ready to take over for Letang as the guy playing 25-30 minutes a night. And weird fact just to kind of show how crazy weird 2020 is...out of our core players (Murray, Letang, Crosby, Malkin, and Guentzel) the least injury prone last year were Murray and Letang, who are usually the most injury prone lol.
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Done.


The anti-Caps fan strikes again
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ikr; who wants the reigning MVP and cap space to sign Pietrangelo?
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ikr; who wants the reigning MVP and cap space to sign Pietrangelo?


There's no guarantee we get Pietrangelo. Then we have to fill arguably the most difficult hole to fill in all of hockey
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There's no guarantee we get Pietrangelo. Then we have to fill arguably the most difficult hole to fill in all of hockey


Fair point. Make the trade contingent on Pietrangelo, or at least Barrie, agreeing to come play 1RD in WSH. Set it up a couple days before free agency starts, after the team's met with a couple guys?

It's a step backwards, short term, because you lose all the ways that the guys on the power play know each other, now, and know how to play together. So the Caps get slightly worse going into an odd season. It's definitely still a questionable move. But Draisaitl's only 24, similar in age to Vrana and Wilson. That could be the top line, six years from now, so the team avoids rebuilding.
 
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