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Danault Cernak and Jarkrok

Créé par: Kalopsia
Date de création initiale: sep 3, 2020
Publié: 19 sep 2020 à 21 h 39
Équipe: 2020-21 Capitals de Washington
Explications
Canadiens trade: Vrana meets Montreal's biggest need for a scoring winger, and he's also younger than Danault with a few more years of team control. Danault would take Kuznetsov's spot at 2C while Kuzy moves to wing to replace Vrana, which would go a long way towards fixing the problems with team defense. I think Vrana's more valuable than Danault because of the team control aspect, so the Lehkonen-Panik swap is evening out the value. This trade hurts me cause I love Vrana, but I'm really high on Danault as well. Lot of risk for the Caps if they can't work out an extension for Danault, so if Ovie's really serious about getting 12M+ I'd scrap this and resign myself to having to trade Vrana's RFA rights for futures in a year.

Predators trade: Nashville fans have said 3rd pairing defense is a need, so Siegenthaler makes sense for them. With Dillon re-signed (Caps are rumored to want him back) and Fehervary breaking through, I think Siegenthaler's an odd man out due to the Caps surfeit of LHD. I think he'd love the chance to play with his countryman Josi, and he'd basically replace Hamhuis as a 3rd pairing PK specialist, with 2nd pairing upside. Jarnkrok's usage dropped when Hynes took over, so a reunion with Lavi would probably be good for him. His contract is fantastic for a middle-6 winger who can fill in at center if needed. I could see the Caps adding a mid-round pick here, or Hagelin if the Preds would be interested in him.

Jets and Sabres trades: Pure cap dumps, destination isn't so important. Kempny and Hags aren't bad players, but Kempny's pushed out by the same crush of LHD as Siegs, and Jarnkrok and Lehkonen make Hagelin expendable. He could stay if the team is confident in Samsonov and Vanecek as the goalie tandem.

Cernak: I don't see any way the Lightning could afford to match that offer sheet. Paying a 2021 2nd to add a guy like Cernak is fantastic value, and he's probably cheaper cap-wise than any of the higher-end RHD available through free agency. I think this is a home run if Cernak's willing to sign the OS.

Dillon: He starts out on the top pairing but moves to the 3rd when Fehervary shows he's ready to play with Carlson. A bottom 4 of Orlov-Cernak and Dillon-Jensen is basically two shutdown pairings. I don't see many other options in free agency that I'd be happy with, maybe Kulikov or Chara? Dillon seems more realistic since we already know the Caps are interested.

Weber: Might as well get another ex-Lavi player for 7D.

Greiss: Splits the starts with Samsonov (or Vanecek if Sam's not ready by the start of the season), gone before the cap crunch happens next offseason. Greiss is of those guys I've always like for no particular reason which is why I picked him, but I could also see Talbot or Crawford.
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
Cernak, Erik54 000 000 $
Boyd, Travis2900 000 $
Sprong, Daniel2725 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
Dillon, Brenden43 500 000 $
Weber, Yannick1800 000 $
Greiss, Thomas13 000 000 $
Offres hostiles
Le salaire annuel moyen (AAV) de l'offre hostile est calculé en divisant la valeur totale du contrat par: 1. La durée totale du contrat, ou 2. Cinq ans
JOUEURAAVCOMPENSATION
Cernak, Erik4 000 000 $
Choix de 2e ronde en 2021
Transactions
WSH
  1. 2021 3e round pick (WPG)
WPG
  1. Kempný, Michal
WSH
  1. Järnkrok, Calle
NSH
  1. Siegenthaler, Jonas [Droits de RFA]
WSH
  1. 2020 4e round pick (BUF)
BUF
  1. Hagelin, Carl
WSH
  1. Danault, Phillip
  2. Lehkonen, Artturi
MTL
  1. Vrána, Jakub
  2. Pánik, Richard
Enfoui
  • Pheonix Copley: 25 000 $ (1 100 000 $)
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
2020
WSH
ARI
WSH
BUF
WSH
WSH
2021
WSH
WPG
WSH
WSH
VGK
WSH
WSH
2022
WSH
WSH
WSH
WSH
WSH
WSH
WSH
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2281 500 000 $81 374 877 $419 749 $732 500 $125 123 $

Formation

Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
WSH
Ovechkin, Alex
9 538 462 $
AG, AD
NTC
UFA - 1
WSH
Bäckström, Nicklas
9 200 000 $
C
NMC
UFA - 5
WSH
Wilson, Tom
5 166 666 $
AD
NTC
UFA - 4
NSH
Järnkrok, Calle
2 000 000 $
AG, C, AD
UFA - 2
MTL
Danault, Phillip
3 083 333 $
C
UFA - 1
WSH
Kuznetsov, Evgeny
7 800 000 $
C
NTC
UFA - 5
MTL
Lehkonen, Artturi
2 400 000 $
AG, AD
RFA - 1
WSH
Eller, Lars
3 500 000 $
C
UFA - 3
WSH
Oshie, T.J.
5 750 000 $
AD
NTC
UFA - 5
WSH
Hathaway, Garnet
1 500 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 3
WSH
Dowd, Nic
750 000 $
C
UFA - 2
WSH
Sprong, Daniel
725 000 $
AD
RFA - 2
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
WSH
Dillon, Brenden
3 500 000 $
DG
UFA - 4
WSH
Carlson, John
8 000 000 $
DD
NTC
UFA - 6
WSH
Samsonov, Ilya
925 000 $
G
RFA - 1
WSH
Orlov, Dmitry
5 100 000 $
DD
NTC
UFA - 3
Cernak, Erik
4 000 000 $
DD
RFA - 3
Greiss, Thomas
3 000 000 $
G
UFA - 2
WSH
Fehérváry, Martin
791 667 $
DG
RFA - 3
WSH
Jensen, Nick
2 500 000 $
DD
UFA - 3
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
WSH
Boyd, Travis
900 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 1
Weber, Yannick
800 000 $
DD
UFA

Unités spéciales

Avantage numérique 1
Ovechkin, A.
Bäckström, N.
Wilson, T.
Kuznetsov, E.
Carlson, J.
Avantage numérique 2
Ovechkin, A.
Danault, P.
Oshie, T.
Orlov, D.
Eller, L.
Infériorité numérique 1
Eller, L.
Wilson, T.
Dillon, B.
Cernak, E.
Infériorité numérique 2
Danault, P.
Lehkonen, A.
Orlov, D.
Jensen, N.

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19 sep 2020 à 21 h 44
#1
wut r u drouin fam
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I personally like this trade a lot
Kalopsia et LumberJacques a aimé ceci.
19 sep 2020 à 21 h 55
#2
mhockey91
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Is Kuzy that bad defensively that he can’t play C?
19 sep 2020 à 21 h 57
#3
MD
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i think the habs trade is fair value but mtl needs a RW ideally still like vrana and Tatar could play the RW
19 sep 2020 à 22 h 07
#4
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Quoting: mhockey91
Is Kuzy that bad defensively that he can’t play C?


It's been pretty rough the last two years. Maybe Lavi can get him to buy in more, but I think the best bet to get him back to 17-18 Kuzy is to let him stop worrying about defense and faceoffs and just have fun being creative in the offensive zone.
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19 sep 2020 à 22 h 18
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I wouldnt trade vrana
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19 sep 2020 à 22 h 21
#6
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I could see a deal like this between NSH and WSH, but I think WSH would need to add.
19 sep 2020 à 22 h 26
#7
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Quoting: villenash
I could see a deal like this between NSH and WSH, but I think WSH would need to add.


Any interest in Hagelin as a replacement for Jarnkrok? He was on a 35 point pace last year and he's still a fantastic penalty killer, just a bit overpaid. If not, then would a 3rd work?
20 sep 2020 à 8 h 36
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Quoting: Kalopsia
Any interest in Hagelin as a replacement for Jarnkrok? He was on a 35 point pace last year and he's still a fantastic penalty killer, just a bit overpaid. If not, then would a 3rd work?


Personally if we trade Jarnkrok i want picks/prospects back. I like alot of what i've read about Siegenthaler so i think it's a pretty decent base. Mid round pick maybe? I think clearing Jarnkrok will help create room for a guy like Trenin who is ready to move up into the NHL for us so not really interested in another NHL forward coming back
20 sep 2020 à 9 h 41
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Quoting: Kalopsia
Any interest in Hagelin as a replacement for Jarnkrok? He was on a 35 point pace last year and he's still a fantastic penalty killer, just a bit overpaid. If not, then would a 3rd work?


Nah to Hagelin. I actually just checked and Siegenthaler isn't expansion draft exempt, so I wonder if NSH would even be interested in a deal like this with that info. They'll probably want just picks and draft exempt players in that case. If they traded for Siegenthaler and then lost him a year later, it'd be a big loss overall.
20 sep 2020 à 9 h 54
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Quoting: herzausstein
Personally if we trade Jarnkrok i want picks/prospects back. I like alot of what i've read about Siegenthaler so i think it's a pretty decent base. Mid round pick maybe? I think clearing Jarnkrok will help create room for a guy like Trenin who is ready to move up into the NHL for us so not really interested in another NHL forward coming back


I'd add Arizona's 2020 3rd, or Buffalo's 2021 3rd if this is happening after the draft. Positional versatility is something the Caps have been lacking for a while, and it was really evident in game 1 against the Isles when Eller was out on paternity leave and Backstrom got hurt in the 1st period, so the Caps had to go the rest of the game with Boyd and Dowd as their 2/3Cs. I really like the idea of having Jarnkrok and Kuzy ready to shift to center if needed.
20 sep 2020 à 10 h 01
#11
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Quoting: villenash
Nah to Hagelin. I actually just checked and Siegenthaler isn't expansion draft exempt, so I wonder if NSH would even be interested in a deal like this with that info. They'll probably want just picks and draft exempt players in that case. If they traded for Siegenthaler and then lost him a year later, it'd be a big loss overall.


I figured you guys could go the 8 skater route and keep Johansen, Duchene, Forsberg, Arvidsson, Josi, Ellis, Ekholm, and Siegs (Fabbro's exempt, right?). Am I missing someone important?
20 sep 2020 à 10 h 25
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Quoting: Kalopsia
I figured you guys could go the 8 skater route and keep Johansen, Duchene, Forsberg, Arvidsson, Josi, Ellis, Ekholm, and Siegs (Fabbro's exempt, right?). Am I missing someone important?


Unfortunately Fabbro is not exempt.

So it would be 5 D they would want to protect. I honestly think Ekholm could get traded at some point prior to the expansion draft. He has a lot of value as a solid defensemen and then even more now with his great contract during some flat-cap seasons. He's the most expendable too with his age and need for a new contract in 2 seasons. I have a feeling Poile is going to want to go 7-3-1 this time, but we'll see.
20 sep 2020 à 15 h 33
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Montreal rejects, only way we are trading Danault is if it's for a top end pick or a game changer. Neither of these players achieve that.
20 sep 2020 à 16 h 11
#14
Vrana cookie?
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Quoting: HabsForEver
Montreal rejects, only way we are trading Danault is if it's for a top end pick or a game changer. Neither of these players achieve that.


Vrana is arguably better and 3 years younger and a RFA...
20 sep 2020 à 16 h 12
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Quoting: Kylonetic8
Vrana is arguably better and 3 years younger and a RFA...


Vrana is a winger and doesn't provide anywhere near the defensive abilities that Danault does. The value isn't even close
20 sep 2020 à 16 h 13
#16
Vrana cookie?
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Quoting: HabsForEver
Vrana is a winger and doesn't provide anywhere near the defensive abilities that Danault does. The value isn't even close


It's definitely close, I'd rather Vrana myself. His metrics are actually better.
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20 sep 2020 à 16 h 15
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Quoting: Kylonetic8
It's definitely close, I'd rather Vrana myself. His metrics are actually better.


Welp you can keep him then.
20 sep 2020 à 16 h 19
#18
Vrana cookie?
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Quoting: HabsForEver
Welp you can keep him then.


Think you need to look a little closer at Vrana dude. He was averaging more points with 4 less minutes of ice time per game.

You get a top line winger that’s 3 years younger and a RFA compared to a C you might lose in FA..
20 sep 2020 à 16 h 37
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Quoting: Kylonetic8
Think you need to look a little closer at Vrana dude. He was averaging more points with 4 less minutes of ice time per game.

You get a top line winger that’s 3 years younger and a RFA compared to a C you might lose in FA..


"Averaging more points"

Danault isn't here to put up points. You have to stop evaluating them by that.
20 sep 2020 à 17 h 29
#20
Vrana cookie?
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Quoting: HabsForEver
"Averaging more points"

Danault isn't here to put up points. You have to stop evaluating them by that.


Can't evaluate a forward by how many points they score? Lol okaaay
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20 sep 2020 à 17 h 33
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Quoting: Kylonetic8
Can't evaluate a forward by how many points they score? Lol okaaay


No. You don't evaluate a top 5 Selke player in the league by the points they produce... Also if you want to compare points, compare how many points they both get at 5v5 since he gets no powerplay time
20 sep 2020 à 17 h 35
#22
Vrana cookie?
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Quoting: HabsForEver
No. You don't evaluate a top 5 Selke player in the league by the points they produce... Also if you want to compare points, compare how many points they both get at 5v5 since he gets no powerplay time


Yes he's good at defense. We know. Vrana isn't bad at defense, he's good too. And you conveniently ignore all the other reasons this trade makes plenty of sense for the Habs.

Their PP time isn't much different, btw.
20 sep 2020 à 17 h 38
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Quoting: Kylonetic8
Yes he's good at defense. We know. Vrana isn't bad at defense, he's good too. And you conveniently ignore all the other reasons this trade makes plenty of sense for the Habs.

Vrana gets very little PP time, btw.


Vrana 24G 11A 35 Points 5v5
Danault 12G 31A 43 Points 5v5

One if the defensive player the other is an offensive player
20 sep 2020 à 17 h 42
#24
Vrana cookie?
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Quoting: HabsForEver
Vrana 24G 11A 35 Points 5v5
Danault 12G 31A 43 Points 5v5

One if the defensive player the other is an offensive player


yes Danault is a better defensive forward. Vrana scores more. Their PP time is very similar. It's not like Danault doesn't get any PP time.

And again, Danault might not even be a Hab this time next year. He wants a top 6 role. He going to get it there?

You want to risk him walking for nothing? Or get a top 6 forward for him that's 3 years younger with team control now? You act like the Habs are getting totally screwed here which is silly.
20 sep 2020 à 17 h 44
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Quoting: Kylonetic8
yes Danault is a better defensive forward. Vrana scores more. Their PP time is very similar. It's not like Danault doesn't get any PP time.

And again, Danault might not even be a Hab this time next year. He wants a top 6 role. He going to get it there?

You want to risk him walking for nothing? Or get a top 6 forward for him that's 3 years younger with team control now? You act like the Habs are getting totally screwed here which is silly.


Danault is a better defensive forward and produces more offensively. Danault doesn't get any PP time, clearly you don't know what you are talking about.

Danault will be getting a top 6 role here, if he wants to move, we will move him for more value than Vrana.

The habs are getting screwed here. We can move him for more if we wanted to trade him.
 
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