Boychuk would have to have Detroit on his trade list... What is this Minnesota deal

If we ever got rid of Bailey I think I would have to boycott hockey, and I don't think we would trade him after he was so amazing in the playoffs. Komarov will probably be bought out, and Barzal will make 9-10mil.

Toews won’t get that much.

It’s not definite that bailey won’t get traded. He’s one of the only contracts without trade protection that has value.

I just don't see it happening. He's a leader on the team and consistently puts up points, and he's the longest tenured Islander.

Can’t keep someone because he’s the longest tenured islander - this is a business at the end of the day. If they have to trade bailey to keep their young core, they might have to consider it. I would say 65% bailey stays 35% he gets traded.

Wings would need a + on top of the 1st since Boychuk has 2 years left. Bellows would probably work

Hold on? He's got Toews making more than Pulock? Um? No, there is no way Toews is getting that kind of money. With the amount of turn overs he had during the playoff run anything above 2.5 million is a bonus. As far as the Bailey deal goes I can see him being traded as much I don't think he should be but the cap space needs to come from somewhere. I can even see Cizikas being moved as much as that pains me to say because I really like Casey.

Contracts are sloppy, trades are eh, and Cal won't be buried. I appreciate the thoughts tho

Toews won’t get more than pulock, but if they can they should try to sign toews for 4+ years after a disappointing playoff run. He’s still our best two way defenseman , mayfield was much worse during the playoffs. Always losing board battles, terrible defensively positioning , and he looked slow.

I'd argue Mayfield was more sound defensively than Toews was though. Toews cost up the puck way too often which usually ended up costing the Islanders. He should get a descent raise but nothing above 3 million. He hasn't earned that kind of money yet and I doubt he'll get paid on what he might and might not do in the future.

Mayfield had the worst defensive metrics among isles defenseman. In the last 2 games alone, he lost a board battle to paquette which led to a goal (I know it was called back) and he was responsible for TB 1st goal in game 6. The problem with mayfield is he has a low hockey IQ and he plays like he’s 5’8. He’s nothing more than an average 3rd pairing D man.

Some of toews turnovers were brutal, but a defenseman can commit a few turnovers and still have a positive impact on the game. Toews has over 100 game sample size of being an elite play driver, he’s a core piece and is just as important as pelech/pulock.

I wouldn't go as far as comparing to him to Pulock and Pelech just yet. He still has a lot to learn. Both Pulock and Pelech have paid their dues and are only getting better. Toews will get better but he's not there yet and deserves to be paid for what he's doing now. Not what he's capable of doing later on in his career.

Toews cost him self money with his playoff performance, but if toews was the one who got injured earlier in the year and not pelech, the isles would have been worse off.

Pelech is solid, but he is very overrated by isles fans.

Pelech - great defensively, negative offensively
Pulock - great defensively, above average offensively
Toews- great defensively, great offensively

Defense is the hardest thing to evaluate , especially for casual fans. That’s why the numbers paint a better picture and toews has been an incredible player at 5v5 over the last two years

Pulock wasn't that great defensively in the playoffs. He was the only Islander with a negative plus/minus and I think you're over rating Toews just a tad. He's above average offensively when he's not turning over the puck and average defensively.

Go look at the metrics. Pulock was the best islanders defensive in terms of expected goals against per 60 and He was just as good at limiting quality shots - that is a much better indicator of a defensemans performance than plus-minus , which no one really uses anymore to evaluate a player.

I’m not overrating toews- it’s impossible to remember every single thing that went on during a game. No one focuses on one player, so if someone like toews commits a turnover but is solid defensively the rest of the game, fans still focus on the one turnover. That’s why advanced metrics are important to look at.

Well I agree to disagree, numbers aren't an indicator of what goes on in hockey. This isn't baseball where stats are 99% of the game. I know what I see watching the players and Toews turned the puck over more than once during the playoffs usually on something as simple as clearing the zone or keeping the puck in the offensive zone it wasn't just against Tampa. Any stats on those? Doubtful. And Pulocks expected goals aren't actually goals where it truly counts. Expected is a fancy word for I'm guessing.

I mean they are an indicator of what goes on in hockey - advanced metrics can isolate a players impact, whereas plus-minus doesn’t account for many factors such as teammates and goaltending.

Some of the best defenseman in the league also are among the league leaders in turnovers, pointing to only turnovers to evaluate a players performance is flawed. Toews can have 2-3 turnovers every game but if he keeps forwards to outside , has solid defensive positioning , and drives play offensively, then overall he would have a positive impact.

Expected goals and RAPM (regularized adjusted plus minus) is the best way to evaluate a player. All of the top teams in the league use these metrics such as Colorado , TB...

Mayfield and Andy Greene had the most trouble clearing the zone against TB and it cost the isles multiple times. Greene in game 2, mayfield in games 5 and 6.

I don't need metrics to tell me who did what, I watched the games Greene couldn't deal with Tampas speed and it was obvious, he struggled all series. Mayfield I thought didn't play that bad or his mistakes were minor and weren't all that game breaking, not saying he was perfect but they weren't as costly. Toews turning over the puck constantly was costly and sent Tampa and Philadelphia on many break aways leaving our goalies high and dry, but there's no stats for that.

I'm not slamming Toews I like him but he made a lot of errors proving he still has a lot to learn and doesn't deserve the big bucks just yet, so I stand by my original statement. Toews shouldn't get more than 3 million at this point in his career. You're comparing him to Mayfield who's only making 1.45 million, you pay for what your getting.