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Pietrangelo and Danault

Créé par: Hckymn1976
Date de création initiale: sep 18, 2020
Publié: 18 sep 2020 à 13 h 50
Équipe: 2020-21 Maple Leafs de Toronto
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
Mikheyev, Ilya11 500 000 $
Dermott, Travis1906 500 $
Rodrigues, Evan11 000 000 $
Gauthier, Frédérik1800 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
Crawford, Corey23 500 000 $
Pietrangelo, Alex78 500 000 $
Leivo, Josh11 343 000 $
Spezza, Jason1700 000 $
Transactions
TOR
  1. 2020 2e round pick (NYR)
CAR
  1. Andersen, Frederik
TOR
  1. 2020 4e round pick (BOS)
NJD
  1. Engvall, Pierre
TOR
  1. 2021 3e round pick (ANA)
ANA
  1. Johnsson, Andreas
TOR
  1. Danault, Phillip
MTL
  1. Kerfoot, Alexander
  2. Gauthier, Frédérik
  3. 2020 2e round pick (NYR)
Rachats de contrats
  • Mikhail Grabovski: 0 $
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
  • Phil Kessel: 1 200 000 $ (15%)
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
2020
PIT
TOR
TOR
VGK
BOS
VGK
TOR
CAR
COL
SJS
STL
WPG
2021
TOR
TOR
ANA
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
2022
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2081 500 000 $81 435 116 $0 $0 $64 884 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
TOR
Hyman, Zach
2 250 000 $
AG, AD
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Matthews, Auston
11 640 250 $
C
UFA - 4
TOR
Marner, Mitchell
10 903 000 $
AD
UFA - 5
TOR
Mikheyev, Ilya
1 500 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 2
TOR
Tavares, John
11 000 000 $
C
NMC
UFA - 5
TOR
Nylander, William
6 962 366 $
AD, AG
UFA - 4
TOR
Robertson, Nicholas
821 667 $
AG
RFA - 3
MTL
Danault, Phillip
3 083 333 $
C
UFA - 1
Leivo, Josh
1 343 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 1
TOR
Barabanov, Alexander
925 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 1
TOR
Rodrigues, Evan
1 000 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 1
TOR
Spezza, Jason
700 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
TOR
Rielly, Morgan
5 000 000 $
DG
NTC
UFA - 2
Pietrangelo, Alex
8 500 000 $
DD
NMC
UFA - 7
Crawford, Corey
3 500 000 $
G
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Muzzin, Jake
5 625 000 $
DG
NMC
UFA - 4
TOR
Holl, Justin
2 000 000 $
DD
NTC
UFA - 3
TOR
Campbell, Jack
1 650 000 $
G
UFA - 2
TOR
Dermott, Travis
906 500 $
DG
RFA - 1
TOR
Lehtonen, Mikko
925 000 $
DG
UFA - 1

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18 sep 2020 à 13 h 51
#1
Pass it to Lucic
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probably do that as a hab fan. hate to do it, but I do like 1st in a deep draft.
18 sep 2020 à 13 h 54
#2
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Modifié 18 sep 2020 à 14 h 02
Quoting: Herms17
probably do that as a hab fan. hate to do it, but I do like 1st in a deep draft.


Changed my mind and dropped it to a 2nd 😇

I think if Montreal would retain salary then Toronto would move the 1st.
18 sep 2020 à 13 h 55
#3
themostleaf33
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Dermott will want at least 1.5 and your over the cap so this deosn't work sorry
18 sep 2020 à 13 h 56
#4
wut r u drouin fam
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MTL declines fast
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18 sep 2020 à 13 h 56
#5
Its pretty mint.
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Quoting: Hckymn1976
Changed my mind and dropped it to a 2nd 😇


Lol. So 2 players we don’t want plus a 2nd? Not a chance.

Also why do you want Danault? People were complaining about people’s ice time when you had Kadri as the 3C. That would be even worse with Danault.
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18 sep 2020 à 13 h 57
#6
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Quoting: themostleaf33
Dermott will want at least 1.5 and your over the cap so this deosn't work sorry


Dermott does not have arbitration rights. $906,500 is his qualifying offer at 105% of his previous salary ($863,333).
18 sep 2020 à 13 h 59
#7
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Quoting: Kotkaniemi15
Lol. So 2 players we don’t want plus a 2nd? Not a chance.

Also why do you want Danault? People were complaining about people’s ice time when you had Kadri as the 3C. That would be even worse with Danault.


Nobody was complaining about anyone's ice time; the Leafs moved Kadri to re-work their salary structure. Danault is a great player (as I'm sure you know), but also he's a pending UFA, which gives Toronto flexibility in the summer of 2021 when Hyman is up for FA and Rielly is eligible for an extension.
18 sep 2020 à 13 h 59
#8
themostleaf33
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I know he doesn't but he will ask for 2.5 and the leafs will give him 1.5
18 sep 2020 à 14 h 01
#9
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Quoting: themostleaf33
I know he doesn't but he will ask for 2.5 and the leafs will give him 1.5


Why would they do that if he doesn't have arb rights? Dermott has zero leverage on a 1-year deal; if he asks for $2.5M, the Leafs will say no.
18 sep 2020 à 14 h 04
#10
Bcarlo25
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Quoting: Hckymn1976
Dermott does not have arbitration rights. $906,500 is his qualifying offer at 105% of his previous salary ($863,333).


You know he doesn’t have to sign that, right?
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18 sep 2020 à 14 h 04
#11
Its pretty mint.
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Quoting: Hckymn1976
Nobody was complaining about anyone's ice time; the Leafs moved Kadri to re-work their salary structure. Danault is a great player (as I'm sure you know), but also he's a pending UFA, which gives Toronto flexibility in the summer of 2021 when Hyman is up for FA and Rielly is eligible for an extension.


A lot of the leafs fans that I had to deal with were complaining that Matthews wasn’t getting enough ice time and Kadri was getting too much.

Anyways, the Leafs don’t need Danault, and they’re going to have to pay a premium to get him if they really want him, because of how important he is to the team, and because they’re the Leafs.
18 sep 2020 à 14 h 05
#12
Bcarlo25
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Quoting: Hckymn1976
Why would they do that if he doesn't have arb rights? Dermott has zero leverage on a 1-year deal; if he asks for $2.5M, the Leafs will say no.


A team can sign him to a 2.15 million offer sheet and the compensation is just a third round pick.
18 sep 2020 à 14 h 05
#13
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Quoting: Bcarlo25
You know he doesn’t have to sign that, right?


Yes, and if he doesn't sign it then he doesn't play hockey next season. Again, the player does not have arbitration rights. It's either an offer sheet or his qualifying offer.
18 sep 2020 à 14 h 06
#14
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Quoting: Kotkaniemi15
Anyways, the Leafs don’t need Danault, and they’re going to have to pay a premium to get him if they really want him, because of how important he is to the team, and because they’re the Leafs.


If the Leafs trade Kerfoot, they do need a 3C. And if they sign Pietrangelo, they're trading Kerfoot.
18 sep 2020 à 14 h 08
#15
Its pretty mint.
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Quoting: Hckymn1976
If the Leafs trade Kerfoot, they do need a 3C.


But Danault isn’t a 3C. This armchair GM team should be more focused on getting an actual starting goalie instead of 3 number 1 centres.
18 sep 2020 à 14 h 09
#16
get off my lawn...
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Quoting: Hckymn1976
Dermott does not have arbitration rights. $906,500 is his qualifying offer at 105% of his previous salary ($863,333).


Might want to check your math there... dermott’s salary is 832,500 his QO is 874,125.

Personally I think there is a good chance he signs it.
18 sep 2020 à 14 h 12
#17
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Quoting: Jamiepo
Might want to check your math there... dermott’s salary is 832,500 his QO is 874,125.

Personally I think there is a good chance he signs it.


I believe the relevant number is $863,333 because of the way his signing bonuses slid in 15/16 and 16/17. Could be wrong.
18 sep 2020 à 14 h 13
#18
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Quoting: Kotkaniemi15
But Danault isn’t a 3C. This armchair GM team should be more focused on getting an actual starting goalie instead of 3 number 1 centres.

thanks for the advice
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18 sep 2020 à 14 h 19
#19
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Toronto fans: “Kerfoot sucks”
Also Toronto fans: *trades him for Danault*
18 sep 2020 à 14 h 20
#20
Bcarlo25
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Quoting: Hckymn1976
Yes, and if he doesn't sign it then he doesn't play hockey next season. Again, the player does not have arbitration rights. It's either an offer sheet or his qualifying offer.


This just strikes me as, i don’t really want to say delusional, so I’ll just say woefully misinformed. Look around the league. When does this happen? When do NHL d men just sign their QO? Almost never. When is it, “sign the QO, an offer sheet, or don’t play hockey?” Literally never. Teams don’t want to ruin the relationship with the player. Take this route and he’s just taking three arbitration contracts after this year and then skipping town, and that’s the best case scenario. The more likely scenario, is he is so shocked by this nearly unprecedented negotiating tactic and goes off and signs an offer sheet for one year and a couple bucks under the 2nd round pick threshold (2.15 mill lets say), and then rides out arb deals to UFA.

Also, what have you seen from Dubas that would make you think this is the way he operates? He seems to cave to whatever his RFAs want, don’t you think? Anyway, I don’t think Dermott is anything special, but I think a nice 1.5 million with some signing bonus money would keep relations pretty good.
18 sep 2020 à 14 h 26
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Jersey declines easily.
18 sep 2020 à 15 h 06
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Quoting: Hedman77
Toronto fans: “Kerfoot sucks”
Also Toronto fans: *trades him for Danault*


Who is saying that Kerfoot sucks? He's a middle-six forward that can play C or LW signed for good AAV and good term.
18 sep 2020 à 15 h 07
#23
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Quoting: JRoss
Jersey declines easily.


Who cares?
18 sep 2020 à 15 h 54
#24
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Quoting: Hckymn1976
Who is saying that Kerfoot sucks? He's a middle-six forward that can play C or LW signed for good AAV and good term.


the vast majority of Toronto fans on here undervalue him
18 sep 2020 à 16 h 07
#25
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Quoting: Hedman77
the vast majority of Toronto fans on here undervalue him


Well that's pretty stupid of them, I guess.
 
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