Three team deal between CBJ, Toronto and Arizona. Cleaned up, it looks like:
- ARI receives: Frederik Andersen, Alexander Wennberg, TOR 2021 1st-rounder
- TOR receives: Darcy Kuemper ($2M retained by ARI), David Savard, CBJ 2020 1st-rounder (21OA), ARI 2021 2nd-rounder (likely less than 25 picks difference)
- CBJ receives: Derek Stepan, Mikhail Abramov, TOR 2020 1st-rounder (15OA)
ARI: Get younger at C, add a cheaper option at G cash-wise, and get back into the 2021 first round
TOR: Add a tough, responsible RD, shed Andersen's cap hit for a run at Pietrangelo
CBJ: Add Stepan for a more likely option at 2C, get a prospect to help restock pipeline, move up six picks in October
Trade originally conceived here: https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/366645
As a CBJ fan, I'd also be okay with shipping out Dubinsky's (fully-insured) deal so Toronto could put him on LTIR if they wanted to go that route, or finding a team that needs to get to the cap floor, since he won't cost any real money. Alternatively, the team could move Jenner or Murray and create even more cap room.
Coyotes reject big time , coyotes would lose 4M in actual dollars , Coyotes wont be taking back almost any cap in Kuemper deal , and your going to need to give up more for Kuemper
Coyotes reject big time , coyotes would lose 4M in actual dollars , Coyotes wont be taking back almost any cap in Kuemper deal , and your going to need to give up more for Kuemper
Dealing Kuemper with $2M retained would save them $1.5M this year and dealing Stepan would save them $2M, while Wennberg+Andersen comes to a total of just under $6M, so it's actually $2.5M, not $4M. I chose Arizona both because Andersen costs virtually nothing in real money, and Wennberg is a change-of-scenery candidate who fits the "we want guys under 25" ethos that Armstrong has talked about today. Not saying you're dead wrong or anything, but you can see why I thought it might have some appeal for the Yotes. But I definitely appreciate the feedback.
Dealing Kuemper with $2M retained would save them $1.5M this year and dealing Stepan would save them $2M, while Wennberg+Andersen comes to a total of just under $6M, so it's actually $2.5M, not $4M. I chose Arizona both because Andersen costs virtually nothing in real money, and Wennberg is a change-of-scenery candidate who fits the "we want guys under 25" ethos that Armstrong has talked about today. Not saying you're dead wrong or anything, but you can see why I thought it might have some appeal for the Yotes. But I definitely appreciate the feedback.
alright i see what you were going for a bit better now that you said so , the offer isnt bad considering that ive seen leaf fans put up Andersen for Kuemper one for one
alright i see what you were going for a bit better now that you said so , the offer isnt bad considering that ive seen leaf fans put up Andersen for Kuemper one for one
Oh, I've seen Leaf fans put up Andreas Johnsson and expect Seth Jones in return, I feel your pain. I'd love to pry Dvorak loose somehow, but I know THAT isn't happening for anything short of guys we'd be unwilling to move.
Oh, I've seen Leaf fans put up Andreas Johnsson and expect Seth Jones in return, I feel your pain. I'd love to pry Dvorak loose somehow, but I know THAT isn't happening for anything short of guys we'd be unwilling to move.
Yeah saw that same Seth Jones trade couldnt stop laughing for about 5 minutes , with Dvo i'm pretty sure he's listed as a untouchable so yeah would be a pretty tough to pry him out without giving something huge
This is a solid concept, but I’m not sure why Arizona would trade Kuemper for Anderson.... Kuemperis better and signed to a longer contract... this has disaster written on it for Arizona imo.
Also the 2021 2nd you’re sending to Toronto isn’t owned by Arizona, as of now the league owns the pick.
This is a solid concept, but I’m not sure why Arizona would trade Kuemper for Anderson.... Kuemperis better and signed to a longer contract... this has disaster written on it for Arizona imo.
Also the 2021 2nd you’re sending to Toronto isn’t owned by Arizona, as of now the league owns the pick.
I'm assuming in this reality that they don't re-sign Hall, and thus keep that pick; I've seen reporting that Armstrong is being given a mandate to cut costs. And Andersen is less real money than Kuemper.
EDIT: Aw crap, I forgot they're looking to trade Kuemper because they signed Hill. Well, maybe they acquire Andersen and then flip Raanta to REALLY cut costs.
Oh, I've seen Leaf fans put up Andreas Johnsson and expect Seth Jones in return, I feel your pain. I'd love to pry Dvorak loose somehow, but I know THAT isn't happening for anything short of guys we'd be unwilling to move.
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Oh, I've seen Leaf fans put up Andreas Johnsson and expect Seth Jones in return, I feel your pain. I'd love to pry Dvorak loose somehow, but I know THAT isn't happening for anything short of guys we'd be unwilling to move.
I saw leafs fans put kapanen up for a 1st and better prospects in return. Oh hold up that was their GM. ( to be fair though Jones one is rediculous)
Oh, I've seen Leaf fans put up Andreas Johnsson and expect Seth Jones in return, I feel your pain. I'd love to pry Dvorak loose somehow, but I know THAT isn't happening for anything short of guys we'd be unwilling to move.
Quoting: DSZ
Yeah saw that same Seth Jones trade couldnt stop laughing for about 5 minutes , with Dvo i'm pretty sure he's listed as a untouchable so yeah would be a pretty tough to pry him out without giving something huge
Seriously? I didn't think people were actually that stupid (and that's coming from a leafs fan).
I could see that being the case. What other tweaks would you make?
All in all, I'd suggest you pick a different guy to target for 2 c anyway. I think Domi, Monahan, or one of the Strome's or even like you said Dvorak. I just am not sure if Stepan is an improvement from what you have now.
All in all, I'd suggest you pick a different guy to target for 2 c anyway. I think Domi, Monahan, or one of the Strome's or even like you said Dvorak. I just am not sure if Stepan is an improvement from what you have now.
I view it as a way to accomplish a few goals: get a rebound candidate without a major commitment, move up in the draft, clear the logjam at D, and shed Wennberg's contract to give him a fresh start somewhere else.
All in all, I'd suggest you pick a different guy to target for 2 c anyway. I think Domi, Monahan, or one of the Strome's or even like you said Dvorak. I just am not sure if Stepan is an improvement from what you have now.
"Here, take this stuff I found around the sofa cushions, and in exchange I'd like your superstar D and future captain."
I view it as a way to accomplish a few goals: get a rebound candidate without a major commitment, move up in the draft, clear the logjam at D, and shed Wennberg's contract to give him a fresh start somewhere else.
Well if that's all you want, then yes, this trade is good.
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