SalarySwishSalarySwish
Forums/Armchair-GM

WindJammer better say yes

Créé par: JesperiIsMyDad
Équipe: 2020-21 Canadiens de Montréal
Date de création initiale: 14 sept. 2020
Publié: 14 sept. 2020
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
1850 000 $
11 850 000 $
Transactions
WPG
  1. Caufield, Cole [Liste de réserve]
  2. Domi, Max [Droits de RFA]
  3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2020 (MTL)
Enfoui
Repêchage1e ronde2e ronde3e ronde4e ronde5e ronde6e ronde7e ronde
2020
Logo de MTL
Logo de CHI
Logo de STL
Logo de MTL
Logo de MTL
Logo de ANA
Logo de WPG
Logo de FLA
Logo de MTL
Logo de OTT
2021
Logo de MTL
Logo de MTL
Logo de MTL
Logo de CHI
Logo de MTL
Logo de STL
Logo de VGK
Logo de MTL
Logo de OTT
Logo de PHI
Logo de MTL
2022
Logo de MTL
Logo de MTL
Logo de MTL
Logo de MTL
Logo de MTL
Logo de MTL
Logo de MTL
Logo de STL
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2281 500 000 $76 489 642 $0 $4 007 500 $5 010 358 $

Formation

Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
5 500 000 $5 500 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 3
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
863 333 $863 333 $ (Bonis de performance425 000 $$425K)
C
UFA - 2
Logo de Jets de Winnipeg
4 995 000 $4 995 000 $
C, AD, AG
UFA - 1
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
4 800 000 $4 800 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance2 500 000 $$2M)
C
UFA - 1
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
3 750 000 $3 750 000 $
AD, AG
NMC
UFA - 1
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
2 400 000 $2 400 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
3 083 333 $3 083 333 $
C
UFA - 1
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
3 400 000 $3 400 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 3
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
850 000 $850 000 $
C
UFA - 2
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
2 600 000 $2 600 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 1
Logo de Jets de Winnipeg
4 125 000 $4 125 000 $
AG, AD, C
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance850 000 $$850K)
C, AG
UFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
7 857 143 $7 857 143 $
DD
UFA - 6
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
10 500 000 $10 500 000 $
G
NMC
UFA - 6
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
1 750 000 $1 750 000 $
DG/DD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
5 500 000 $5 500 000 $
DD
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 1
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
4 350 000 $4 350 000 $
G
UFA - 1
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
1 850 000 $1 850 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 1
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
894 167 $894 167 $ (Bonis de performance212 500 $$212K)
DG
RFA - 2
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
771 666 $771 666 $ (Bonis de performance20 000 $$20K)
DD
RFA - 1
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
925 000 $925 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 2

Code d'intégration

  • Pour afficher cette équipe sur un autre site Web ou blog, ajoutez ce iFrame à la page appropriée
  • Personnalisez les dimensions dans le code IFrame ci-dessous pour adapter votre site de manière appropriée. Minimum recommandé: 400px.

Texte intégré

Cliquer pour surligner
14 sept. 2020 à 17 h 29
#1
Former Hockey Fan
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: juin 2017
Messages: 13,144
Mentions "j'aime": 10,516
I say no.
14 sept. 2020 à 17 h 29
#2
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: mars 2020
Messages: 2,680
Mentions "j'aime": 1,448
Your gonna get a lot of no
14 sept. 2020 à 17 h 31
#3
Bandwagon fairweathe
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: juin 2018
Messages: 7,509
Mentions "j'aime": 3,230
It would be interesting to see what your cap management is going forward, Caufield elc might be vital for future kk, suzuki and nucleus contracts.
14 sept. 2020 à 17 h 33
#4
Démarrer sujet
JesperiIsnotMyDad
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: mai 2019
Messages: 13
Mentions "j'aime": 0
I agree with all of you, and personally feel domi mete + 2 1sts is a more fair deal but the Winnipeg fandom has been senile when it comes to these trades. And I'm just trying to see what it will take.
14 sept. 2020 à 17 h 33
#5
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: mai 2019
Messages: 39,598
Mentions "j'aime": 18,153
That’s a solid trade
14 sept. 2020 à 17 h 35
#6
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: juin 2019
Messages: 6,730
Mentions "j'aime": 4,825
Price for Laine is ridiculously high, like you’d have to severely overpay for him. So to all the MTL fans whining about these deals that actually get close to Laine, GET OVER IT. Y’all can be a bunch of babies sometimes (like fans of every team, including myself), I get you’re biased towards your team, but still. You have to pay a lot for a quality player like Laine.
Birtle34, Windjammer, mhockey91 and 2 others a aimé ceci.
14 sept. 2020 à 17 h 39
#7
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: juill. 2020
Messages: 15,607
Mentions "j'aime": 6,911
The Jets don't need to move Perreault and this is just a downgrade for Winnipeg. This trade fixes a small hole at center by creating a huge hole on wing, so the Jets still have a hole and Caufield and the first don't close the gap between 2 years of Domi and Laine.

A possible deal that fixes holes for Winnipeg and doesn't involve Suzuki or KK is tough, but a few of us Jet fans discussed this:

Danault extended for 5 years at less than 6.
Romanov
Harris
2nd round pick

for

Laine.

That at least addresses needs for Winnipeg instead of the normal downgrades. I think Chevy would likely just keep Laine off this was the best offer, but this at least fixes holes.
14 sept. 2020 à 17 h 42
#8
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: juill. 2020
Messages: 15,607
Mentions "j'aime": 6,911
Quoting: tsyls
Price for Laine is ridiculously high, like you’d have to severely overpay for him. So to all the MTL fans whining about these deals that actually get close to Laine, GET OVER IT. Y’all can be a bunch of babies sometimes (like fans of every team, including myself), I get you’re biased towards your team, but still. You have to pay a lot for a quality player like Laine.


I know eh. How dare a team ask for equal quality back when trading a player. sarcasm
tsyls et HockeyFan989 a aimé ceci.
14 sept. 2020 à 17 h 42
#9
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: juin 2015
Messages: 15,921
Mentions "j'aime": 6,980
jets say no thanks
MisstheWhalers a aimé ceci.
14 sept. 2020 à 17 h 49
#10
Démarrer sujet
JesperiIsnotMyDad
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: mai 2019
Messages: 13
Mentions "j'aime": 0
Quoting: Windjammer
The Jets don't need to move Perreault and this is just a downgrade for Winnipeg. This trade fixes a small hole at center by creating a huge hole on wing, so the Jets still have a hole and Caufield and the first don't close the gap between 2 years of Domi and Laine.

A possible deal that fixes holes for Winnipeg and doesn't involve Suzuki or KK is tough, but a few of us Jet fans discussed this:

Danault extended for 5 years at less than 6.
Romanov
Harris
2nd round pick

for

Laine.

That at least addresses needs for Winnipeg instead of the normal downgrades. I think Chevy would likely just keep Laine off this was the best offer, but this at least fixes holes.


I understand adding Romanov instead of Caufield but if Danault is signed for 5 years at less than 6 Montreal would keep him. More than this I honestly believe that Domi would be a better fit for wpg because danault as great as he is defensively is lacking top 6 scoring, his past 4 seasons he has played with montreals best wingers. This has dragged his point totals up significantly higher than they should be. Also I don't think trading laine away would create a hole for wpg considering they probably have the best top 4 wingers in the league(at least offensively). My counter offer would be:

Domi signed for 5 years at less than 6
Romanov
Harris
2nd round pick( st louis)
3rd round pick( Chicago)

I personally would do this trade but I know for a fact that the Montreal management is in love with romanov and there's no way they would trade him. I think they see him as a future captain for montreal.
14 sept. 2020 à 17 h 57
#11
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: juill. 2020
Messages: 15,607
Mentions "j'aime": 6,911
Quoting: JesperiIsMyDad
I understand adding Romanov instead of Caufield but if Danault is signed for 5 years at less than 6 Montreal would keep him. More than this I honestly believe that Domi would be a better fit for wpg because danault as great as he is defensively is lacking top 6 scoring, his past 4 seasons he has played with montreals best wingers. This has dragged his point totals up significantly higher than they should be. Also I don't think trading laine away would create a hole for wpg considering they probably have the best top 4 wingers in the league(at least offensively). My counter offer would be:

Domi signed for 5 years at less than 6
Romanov
Harris
2nd round pick( st louis)
3rd round pick( Chicago)

I personally would do this trade but I know for a fact that the Montreal management is in love with romanov and there's no way they would trade him. I think they see him as a future captain for montreal.


That one is at least one that Chevy would possibly consider. Although I highly doubt Domi signs for 5 years at less than 6 with his new agent. The other thing against Domi is that he is terrible defensively and the Jets would probably like a 2C that is good defensively, although I agree Danault's offense isn't the greatest. I would say no because I'm not a big Domi fan, but others may like Domi.
14 sept. 2020 à 18 h 8
#12
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: nov. 2018
Messages: 15,213
Mentions "j'aime": 6,241
I just got 1 thing to say.

WHO CARES WHAT WINDJAMMER SAYS OR THINKS!!! He seems to think Laine is a cross between McDavid and Gretzky! And the price to acquire him is more than the 2 combined!
JesperiIsMyDad a aimé ceci.
14 sept. 2020 à 18 h 25
#13
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: juill. 2020
Messages: 15,607
Mentions "j'aime": 6,911
See and then you have a Montreal troll like above come in and start whining and derailing the thread.
14 sept. 2020 à 18 h 45
#14
MisstheWhalers
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: janv. 2019
Messages: 23,553
Mentions "j'aime": 12,308
I'm just not interested in trading Laine at all, there's been some good offers from Habs fans no doubt and some real underwhelming stinkers!

I try to consider all discussions on here realistically and in the end with Laine trades I always come back to are the Jets better with Laine or without and I conclude they're better with him, I just don't see how trading Laine and getting three small players in Domi, Mete and Caufield makes them better, a realistic futures package for Domi works but trading Laine for him is just moving the hole around in the lineup, I know wingers are easier to find then centers but wingers like Laine aren't easy to find.

If it was up to me I'd sign Laine long term and build around him, just hope Chevy doesn't do any harm to the lineup by trading Laine in a desperate attempt to repair the mess he's made for himself, there's nothing to gain by digging a hole to fill another.
tsyls et Windjammer a aimé ceci.
14 sept. 2020 à 19 h 34
#15
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: juill. 2020
Messages: 15,607
Mentions "j'aime": 6,911
Quoting: MisstheWhalers
I'm just not interested in trading Laine at all, there's been some good offers from Habs fans no doubt and some real underwhelming stinkers!

I try to consider all discussions on here realistically and in the end with Laine trades I always come back to are the Jets better with Laine or without and I conclude they're better with him, I just don't see how trading Laine and getting three small players in Domi, Mete and Caufield makes them better, a realistic futures package for Domi works but trading Laine for him is just moving the hole around in the lineup, I know wingers are easier to find then centers but wingers like Laine aren't easy to find.

If it was up to me I'd sign Laine long term and build around him, just hope Chevy doesn't do any harm to the lineup by trading Laine in a desperate attempt to repair the mess he's made for himself, there's nothing to gain by digging a hole to fill another.


I agree, but that's what everyone on this site hates to hear. If you say that the offer doesn't have enough quality or isn't a fit fit your team, you're unreasonable because you're getting "such value". If you explain that value doesn't mean much if it doesn't fill team needs, then it just means you're a homer.

Most people here seem to want to **** and moan about their lowball offers being rejected rather than try and see what reasonable options are out there that help both teams.
MisstheWhalers a aimé ceci.
14 sept. 2020 à 22 h 27
#16
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: mai 2015
Messages: 19,537
Mentions "j'aime": 6,692
Quoting: Windjammer
I agree, but that's what everyone on this site hates to hear. If you say that the offer doesn't have enough quality or isn't a fit fit your team, you're unreasonable because you're getting "such value". If you explain that value doesn't mean much if it doesn't fill team needs, then it just means you're a homer.

Most people here seem to want to **** and moan about their lowball offers being rejected rather than try and see what reasonable options are out there that help both teams.


Just a general observation:

Some posters on this site feel they need to try and convince other particular people's minds in order to validate their own thoughts...... You don't always have to. Not every GM would have done the Kapanen+ for a 2020 1st+ trade. Obviously some did. You'll never get a perfect consensus, especially on here on whether a trade is fair or not. Sometimes you got to just believe in your analysis (Assuming you've done an acceptable amount of research) and just agree to disagree. Maybe you are both right. Maybe Laine is worth the above trade and maybe Winnipeg still doesn't accept. That is also an option. Just because you offer fair value, doesn't mean someone HAS to accept it. Factors like negotiation, ownership pressure, timing, budgets, etc are all things you can't simulate on here which all play are part in making a trade truly "fair".

On the flip side, some posters feel the need to be overly conservative on their analysis's of trades for their teams players to ensure they never look like they "lose" a trade on here. I get it, I do it too sometimes but I think its important to give two perspectives. Your own because that's why your here, right?...but also what you think the real GM would do. They are from time to time not perfectly aligned. Actually they often aren't and admitting an offer is something the real GM might at the very least consider, while you'd totally be against doing is nice way to move the conversation forward without it turning into troll show.
 
Répondre
To create a post please Login or S'inscrire
Question:
Options:
Ajouter une option
Soumettre le sondage