Quoting: Jmcp
1) I said from the beginning Ottawa isn't a fit. They wouldnt pay that price for him since they don't need him, although they could afford him.
2) Boucher's opinion is better than yours and mine. He said Byron is the type of guy you need to pay attention because he can make you pay at any time. He is overall a good play and reliable player, but when it comes to speed, is not good, but elite. Certainly top 10 in the league. I'm wondering in which category Anisimov is top-10, let me know.
3) He is simply more productive offensively than Goodrow and Coleman. Of course, he is not as physical as them (for obvious reason). He is mostly a PK specialist.
4) Your point was that he would fetch way way way less than a 3rd. What is that mean ? a 5th? a 6th? a 7th? That is laughable. AHLer are traded for 5th and 6th. Not 0.41 PPG bottom-six versatile player.
5) You said he lost his spot. Byron has never been healthy scratched since 2016.
5) the funny thing here is that we will never know who's right between you and I unless he is actually traded. But I'm confident, based on real comparables, that this guy could bring a 2nd or a 3rd. It depends where he is traded, when he is traded, and if there is retain salary or not.
1) You did, which is why it's nice to go back and forth with you. I think you've got a better idea than others, and at least know what you're talking about.
2) Sure, if hockey were all about skating straight lines or laps around rinks. It's not, so it really doesn't matter. It's about handling the puck and doing things with it, and so his "top 10 speed" becomes absolutely redundant because he's nowhere close to top 10 at being able to do anything at that speed. And I didn't try to claim Anisimov was anywhere close to that. I'm not the one trying to claim a bottom 6er is a god here. I'm the one who knows a bottom 6er would get a bottom 6er price.
3) He is more productive offensively than Goodrow, but it's widely considered that the Goodrow trade was an awful one, and it's also not actually for a 1st straight up as other assets went back. Coleman though has become a force to be reckoned with since his slow rookie year, and in this year at the trade was playing at a superior 0.54 PPG. He's signed for 1 more year at $1.8M compared to Byron's 3 at $3.4M, so it's not even a contest who is the more valuable player, and who is the better asset. One is overpaid and the other is underpaid.
4) I would say $2.4M Byron could fetch a 3rd at best if a competitive market is built for him. Bjugstad with 1 year left at $4.1M and a career 0.47 PPG just went for a conditional 7th, but Nick Cousins and his career 0.30 PPG went for a 4th. Namestnikov fetched a 4th as a rental, and his deal is better, plus he was playing really well. Jimmy Vesey went for a 3rd, and he's younger and has shown higher upside. With Byron's deal being bad and longer, gotta expect about a 4th, and that's if the rough aspect of the deal is dealt with. Otherwise, I'd expect the deal to get worse or a sweetener to go back with it. Just the reality of the deal.
5) He lost his spot in the sense that he's being traded. If he's elite and top 10 in the league and so good, keep him then. Must be a game changer, why not keep him? Or he's lost his spot on the team, and has therefore become a cap casualty due to a bad deal and not being a good enough player to make it worth keeping him around. I like the guy, don't get me wrong. It's just the reality of it.
6) Absolutely, I agree. And the thing is, I could end up being completely wrong because somebody could end up stupidly paying a 1st for him, or you could end up being very wrong and Montreal pays something ridiculous like Victor Mete just to relieve themselves of his cap hit. Nobody will really know until it happens. It's just one of the most common trades parroted around here and every single time it's said by just about everybody that the Sens would have zero interest in somebody like Byron and that he's not really worth that much, but it never quite sinks in. The same thing happened with Bjugstad for weeks with Pens fans flipping him for a 3rd or 4th, and then he went for a 7th. The market is always colder than we think.