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What I would do

Créé par: TMLBRIAN
Date de création initiale: sep 13, 2020
Publié: 13 sep à 23 h 50
Équipe: 2020-21 Lightning de Tampa Bay
Explications
Something on these lines. But everything would have to line up to make this work. Everyone is getting bridge deals and no one is getting offer sheeted.

This version of the team would still be extremely tough to play against.

Thoughts?

But honestly I think other teams will aggressively offer sheet all 3 of these guys that were just bridged and Tampa won't be able to match. So it may be better trading them for assests.
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
Cirelli, Anthony24 250 000 $
Sergachev, Mikhail23 750 000 $
Cernak, Erik22 250 000 $
Verhaeghe, Carter2725 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
Maroon, Patrick21 500 000 $
Thornton, Joe1700 000 $
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  1. Miller, Colin
BUF
  1. Johnson, Tyler
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  1. 2021 2e round pick (NYI)
  2. 2022 3e round pick (NJD)
NJD
  1. Killorn, Alex
TBL
  1. 2021 2e round pick (COL)
COL
  1. Palat, Ondrej
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  • Vincent Lecavalier: 0 $
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TBL
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NJD
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NJD
TBL
TBL
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2023
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Gourde, Yanni
5 166 666 $
AD, AG, C
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UFA - 5
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Point, Brayden
6 750 000 $
C, AD
RFA - 2
TBL
Kucherov, Nikita
9 500 000 $
AD
NMC
UFA - 7
TBL
Coleman, Blake
1 800 000 $
C, AG, AD
UFA - 1
TBL
Cirelli, Anthony
4 250 000 $
C
RFA
TBL
Stamkos, Steven
8 500 000 $
C, AD
NMC
UFA - 4
TBL
Goodrow, Barclay
925 000 $
AG
UFA - 1
Thornton, Joe
700 000 $
C
NMC
UFA - 1
TBL
Maroon, Patrick
1 500 000 $
AG, AD
NTC
UFA - 2
TBL
Verhaeghe, Carter
725 000 $
C, AG
RFA - 2
TBL
Paquette, Cédric
1 650 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 1
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Raddysh, Taylor
833 333 $
AD
RFA - 1
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Hedman, Victor
7 875 000 $
DG
NMC
UFA - 5
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Cernak, Erik
2 250 000 $
DD
RFA
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Vasilevskiy, Andrei
9 500 000 $
G
UFA - 8
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Sergachev, Mikhail
3 750 000 $
DG
RFA
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McDonagh, Ryan
6 750 000 $
DG
NTC
UFA - 6
TBL
McElhinney, Curtis
1 300 000 $
G
UFA - 1
TBL
Coburn, Braydon
1 700 000 $
DG
NTC
UFA - 1
BUF
Miller, Colin
3 875 000 $
DD
UFA - 2
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Witkowski, Luke
700 000 $
DD, AD
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14 sep à 0 h 08
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Feel like you’re really low balling Cirelli here. Also why does Johnson waive his no trade to move from Tampa to Buffalo?
14 sep à 0 h 11
#2
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Quoting: BigAnderson
Feel like you’re really low balling Cirelli here. Also why does Johnson waive his no trade to move from Tampa to Buffalo?


Any scenario that "fixes" Tampas cap problems you will get 4000 comments stating problems just like what you just said. I have yet to see one solution to fix Tampa, where a bunch of people didn't say "well that doesn't work" or "why would that person waive". Or I keep the young guys and trade the guys with NTC's. Then when I trade them I get the above comment.

Viscous circle. End of rant haha.
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14 sep à 0 h 48
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Quoting: TMLBRIAN
Any scenario that "fixes" Tampas cap problems you will get 4000 comments stating problems just like what you just said. I have yet to see one solution to fix Tampa, where a bunch of people didn't say "well that doesn't work" or "why would that person waive". Or I keep the young guys and trade the guys with NTC's. Then when I trade them I get the above comment.

Viscous circle. End of rant haha.


Probably get so many of those comments because it’s a valid point. Maybe if they hadn’t given half their team no trade or no move clauses it wouldn’t be such an issue lol. Think about it, why would a player want to leave a consistent contender in a beautiful place like Tampa, Florida, where there is no state tax, if they have the contractual right to stay? Killorn’s no trade becomes modified this year, so he’s movable. Palat is a year away from his being modified so maybe you get him to waive. Johnson, maybe if you find him a decent spot where he’s promised more ice time, but he’s certainly not going to want to go to a dumpster fire organization like Buffalo has been. Maybe Detroit with the Yzerman connection, but best bet would be in a year he agrees to waive to go to Seattle since he’s from nearby Spokane. Or accept that keeping all three of top RFAs is unlikely and move one for some soon to be ready prospects. Sorry to say but there’s no easy fix to Tampa’s cap crunch
14 sep à 1 h 33
#4
Mr.T 17
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Bridge deals and removal of 3 aging players, that's a good move too, thumbs up by me, good job
14 sep à 1 h 40
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Do you think they would move Palat for so little? From and Avs perspective, I would be all over this trade. I understand that Tampa is in a tough place with the cap. And I understand adding $5.3M will be more of a challenge this offseason than usual, for most teams. But given Palat’s season and especially his playoffs, I would except they could get more for him.
14 sep à 1 h 54
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Quoting: Mergus80
Do you think they would move Palat for so little? From and Avs perspective, I would be all over this trade. I understand that Tampa is in a tough place with the cap. And I understand adding $5.3M will be more of a challenge this offseason than usual, for most teams. But given Palat’s season and especially his playoffs, I would except they could get more for him.


Who knows! Seems like most teams are compressing their budgets massively due to covid. Most teams are setting caps around 70m. (I don't know which ones). So I assume good players with high caps will become a lot less valuable. I think the supply will outweigh the demand and push for smaller returns. I picked the 3 teams in this very specifically to fill needs. NJD needs scoring wingers. Colorado is so well built and could benefit from more high end depth. The Buffalo trade gives Buff a centre which they need and gives Tampa a RHD, which they need.

We will see how much Palat fetches! One thing I just noticed is that Palat only makes 3.445m this year. Which could be enticing! Back to 5.3m next year.

Time will tell!
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14 sep à 2 h 01
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Quoting: BigAnderson
Probably get so many of those comments because it’s a valid point. Maybe if they hadn’t given half their team no trade or no move clauses it wouldn’t be such an issue lol. Think about it, why would a player want to leave a consistent contender in a beautiful place like Tampa, Florida, where there is no state tax, if they have the contractual right to stay? Killorn’s no trade becomes modified this year, so he’s movable. Palat is a year away from his being modified so maybe you get him to waive. Johnson, maybe if you find him a decent spot where he’s promised more ice time, but he’s certainly not going to want to go to a dumpster fire organization like Buffalo has been. Maybe Detroit with the Yzerman connection, but best bet would be in a year he agrees to waive to go to Seattle since he’s from nearby Spokane. Or accept that keeping all three of top RFAs is unlikely and move one for some soon to be ready prospects. Sorry to say but there’s no easy fix to Tampa’s cap crunch


Those No trade/move clauses are a big reason why they can get guys to sign for less. Obviously the tax breaks make a big difference, but those go away if the player is traded to another state/province. Players want to make sure they don’t get shorted down the road. A quality player on a relatively inexpensive contract would be a pretty coveted trade piece.
I don’t think you can really fault Tampa for doing that, or for being in the position they’re in. The don’t have any monster bad deals and they’ve paid their core guys to stick around. Most of those core guys are players they drafted, many outside of the first round. They did too good of a job at building their team the right way and can no longer afford all those guys. Chicago did the same thing after the 2010 Stanley Cup when they had to move out guys like Byfuglien and Ladd because they couldn’t afford to keep them.
In my opinion, they should mostly target future assets when trading off pieces they can’t afford. Trust their scouting and development staffs to continue to do a great job. They will still have a very good hockey team; and they should be able to pick up a few free agents on short and inexpensive deals to round out their roster, both because of the tax breaks and the opportunity they offer to win a championship. The futures they acquire will become the next wave of inexpensive role players on their first or second contracts who can help their core continue to compete; just like Cirelli, Cernak, and Sergachev now.
14 sep à 5 h 00
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I think NJD would considers that. Maybe ask TB give a late 2020 pick back. or something like:

2021 2nd round pick (NYI)
2022 4th round pick (NJD)
...for...
Alex Killorn (at full salary $4.45 million x 3 years)
2020 6th round pick (OTT)

(or TB considers the Sergachev offer....Ty Smith, Nikita Gusev and 1st for Sergachev)
14 sep à 5 h 17
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So why does Tyler Johnson waive to go from Tampa's sunshine and Cup contending team to go to.... Buffalo? I don't see it.

Killorn likely has NJ on his 16 team no-trade list too.

You're also lowballing Sergachev.
14 sep à 13 h 25
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Quoting: Richard88
So why does Tyler Johnson waive to go from Tampa's sunshine and Cup contending team to go to.... Buffalo? I don't see it.

Killorn likely has NJ on his 16 team no-trade list too.

You're also lowballing Sergachev.


I had thought I wanted to run by you.
What would be an acceptable cost to add Laine to AVs from Jets?

Or is it inter division that is not realistic??
14 sep à 18 h 22
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Quoting: Trickster
I had thought I wanted to run by you.
What would be an acceptable cost to add Laine to AVs from Jets?

Or is it inter division that is not realistic??


They would ask for Byram+ probably. And it wouldn't be unreasonable. Laine is one of the top pure goal scorers in the league.
14 sep à 20 h 57
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Quoting: Richard88
They would ask for Byram+ probably. And it wouldn't be unreasonable. Laine is one of the top pure goal scorers in the league.


Is there any top6 prospect beyond Newhook that is a C?
That is something the Jets direly too.
14 sep à 23 h 03
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Quoting: Trickster
Is there any top6 prospect beyond Newhook that is a C?
That is something the Jets direly too.


Jost sarcasm
14 sep à 23 h 07
#14
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Quoting: Richard88
Jost sarcasm


I do not feel he is top6, hes a 3rd liner IMO.
15 sep à 0 h 52
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Quoting: Trickster
I do not feel he is top6, hes a 3rd liner IMO.


Yes i know. Hence the sarcastic "sarcasm " in my post wink
 
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