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Haters will hate

Créé par: swinny
Date de création initiale: sep 7, 2020
Publié: 13 sep à 13 h 08
Équipe: 2020-21 Maple Leafs de Toronto
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
Mikheyev, Ilya12 000 000 $
Gauthier, Frédérik2750 000 $
Dermott, Travis21 250 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
Spezza, Jason1900 000 $
Pitlick, Tyler21 400 000 $
Transactions
TOR
  1. Demers, Jason
  2. Crouse, Lawson
Détails additionnels:
Yotes need cap space. Full stop. They require a LW that can play top 6 as it looks as though resigning Hall isn't going to happen. AJ can fit into a 2nd line role there easily, a slight upgrade on Crouse. The Yotes have a D to move, picking Demers as the cheaper option.
ARI
  1. Johnsson, Andreas
  2. 2020 2e round pick (TOR)
Détails additionnels:
Moving AJ to address to remake the 3rd line a little. Crouse adds more sandpaper, but is a slight offensive downgrade. Demers may garner a 2nd on the open market, but with a flooded D UFA market, that would be tough to get. The expiring deal help with expansion draft purposes, while providing a more priven option in the Leafs top 4.
Rachats de contrats
  • Mikhail Grabovski: 0 $
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
  • Phil Kessel: 1 200 000 $ (15%)
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
2020
PIT
TOR
VGK
VGK
TOR
CAR
COL
SJS
STL
WPG
2021
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
2022
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2181 500 000 $81 329 366 $0 $0 $170 634 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
TOR
Hyman, Zach
2 250 000 $
AG, AD
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Matthews, Auston
11 634 000 $
C
UFA - 4
TOR
Marner, Mitchell
10 893 000 $
AD
UFA - 5
TOR
Mikheyev, Ilya
2 000 000 $
AG, AD
RFA
TOR
Tavares, John
11 000 000 $
C
NMC
UFA - 5
TOR
Nylander, William
6 962 366 $
AD, AG
UFA - 4
ARI
Crouse, Lawson
1 533 333 $
AG
RFA - 2
TOR
Kerfoot, Alexander
3 500 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 3
Pitlick, Tyler
1 400 000 $
AD
UFA - 2
TOR
Engvall, Pierre
1 250 000 $
AG, C
RFA - 2
TOR
Gauthier, Frédérik
750 000 $
C
UFA
TOR
Spezza, Jason
900 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
TOR
Rielly, Morgan
5 000 000 $
DG
NTC
UFA - 2
ARI
Demers, Jason
3 937 500 $
DD
UFA - 1
TOR
Andersen, Frederik
5 000 000 $
G
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Muzzin, Jake
5 625 000 $
DG
NMC
UFA - 4
TOR
Holl, Justin
2 000 000 $
DD
NTC
UFA - 3
TOR
Campbell, Jack
1 650 000 $
G
UFA - 2
TOR
Sandin, Rasmus
894 167 $
DG
RFA - 2
TOR
Dermott, Travis
1 250 000 $
DG
RFA
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
TOR
Marincin, Martin
700 000 $
DG
UFA - 1

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13 sep à 13 h 09
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Zona might need cap space, but doing that by moving one of their better contracts in Crouse shouldn't be their starting point. He's not a problem, not in the slightest.
13 sep à 13 h 10
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Demeres sucks, and Johnsson is better than Crouse and this ends up making the leafs cap situation worse AND it costs them a second.
No thanks
13 sep à 13 h 12
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Quoting: justaBoss
Zona might need cap space, but doing that by moving one of their better contracts in Crouse shouldn't be their starting point. He's not a problem, not in the slightest.


Agreed. Move moving AJ for Demers seems like an overpay too. Given the construct of the proposed deal, Crouse is the guy.
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13 sep à 13 h 13
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Quoting: swinny
Agreed. Move moving AJ for Demers seems like an overpay too. Given the construct of the proposed deal, Crouse is the guy.


Frankly I wouldn't move for Johnsson if I were ARI. He's simply not needed in their current situation.

Just move Demers for a pick or something like that.
13 sep à 13 h 15
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Quoting: JaredOfLondon
Demeres sucks, and Johnsson is better than Crouse and this ends up making the leafs cap situation worse AND it costs them a second.
No thanks


Disagree. Demers is a one year stop gap who can still play 20 minutes a game. Crouse, if you read my thoughts, is sandpaper on the 3rd line, and a slight offensive downgrade to adress that issue.... and contract control.

I am of the school of not gutting this roster, but reworking the 3rd line to make it more an energy line.
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13 sep à 13 h 16
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Quoting: justaBoss
Frankly I wouldn't move for Johnsson if I were ARI. He's simply not needed in their current situation.

Just move Demers for a pick or something like that.


That was a possibility in my thoughts. But that would require Zona retaining salary I think.
13 sep à 13 h 21
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Quoting: swinny
Disagree. Demers is a one year stop gap who can still play 20 minutes a game. Crouse, if you read my thoughts, is sandpaper on the 3rd line, and a slight offensive downgrade to adress that issue.... and contract control.

I am of the school of not gutting this roster, but reworking the 3rd line to make it more an energy line.


it's hard to be a stopgap when you cant stop anything and your apparent use is a defensive defender. Demeres cant do that any more. He is bad, very bad. And if this was Johnsson straight up for crouse you might have a point, but it's not. The leafs get a crappy defender on top of the downgrade, and as mentioned before, add a pick.
This would be a bad move for them
13 sep à 13 h 28
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Quoting: JaredOfLondon
it's hard to be a stopgap when you cant stop anything and your apparent use is a defensive defender. Demeres cant do that any more. He is bad, very bad. And if this was Johnsson straight up for crouse you might have a point, but it's not. The leafs get a crappy defender on top of the downgrade, and as mentioned before, add a pick.
This would be a bad move for them


Demers advanced stats are not horrible at all.... especially for a team that couldn't really score

If you don't like him.... what's the solution then?
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13 sep à 13 h 31
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Quoting: swinny
That was a possibility in my thoughts. But that would require Zona retaining salary I think.


Prolly, but that'd at least save them some money.
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13 sep à 13 h 32
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Quoting: swinny
Demers advanced stats are not horrible at all.... especially for a team that couldn't really score

If you don't like him.... what's the solution then?


what? his advanced stats are terrible. he had a 46.3% CF%, 46FF% and a -.06CF rel to his team and a -1.9% FF% comapred to his team all while rocking a 101PDO
He got absolutely clowned in shots and chances against
13 sep à 14 h 48
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Quoting: swinny
Agreed. Move moving AJ for Demers seems like an overpay too. Given the construct of the proposed deal, Crouse is the guy.


I like it but I would prefer Hjalmerson over Demers I realize he costs more but if we could add to get them to retain a bit I think it could be mutually beneficial. What say you?
13 sep à 18 h 42
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Quoting: Sign_em_up000000
I like it but I would prefer Hjalmerson over Demers I realize he costs more but if we could add to get them to retain a bit I think it could be mutually beneficial. What say you?


Not opposed at all. The move is about getting an expiring contract at a resonable cost.

But...... can the Yotes retain salary? Really? 🤔🤔🤔
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13 sep à 18 h 55
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Quoting: JaredOfLondon
what? his advanced stats are terrible. he had a 46.3% CF%, 46FF% and a -.06CF rel to his team and a -1.9% FF% comapred to his team all while rocking a 101PDO
He got absolutely clowned in shots and chances against


On a team that couldn't score, or really carry play all that effectively. This all has a negative affect on stats. I mean Ekman-Larsson's advanced stats look the same.... does he suck too?? Almost 55% of his starts were in the D zone as well...... factors.

Advanced stats only tell part of a story. Isn't the whole picture at all.
13 sep à 20 h 10
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Quoting: swinny
On a team that couldn't score, or really carry play all that effectively. This all has a negative affect on stats. I mean Ekman-Larsson's advanced stats look the same.... does he suck too?? Almost 55% of his starts were in the D zone as well...... factors.

Advanced stats only tell part of a story. Isn't the whole picture at all.


no, that's not how advanced stats work. the coyotes could have been the best offensive team in the league and he still would have looked brutal by those metrics. And OEL had a terrible year, so yeah, this year he sucked. The Difference is that Demers hasnt been good for a while and it's a trend
14 sep à 18 h 17
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Quoting: swinny
Not opposed at all. The move is about getting an expiring contract at a resonable cost.

But...... can the Yotes retain salary? Really? 🤔🤔🤔


I'm not saying there wouldn't be a market for Hjalmarsson but given his age cap hit n term how much would they get for him? I'm not suggesting they retain because it benefits us we would have to add a pick or two but from there perspective they would be getting most of his money off of the books and would only have to retain for a year. Maybe I'm out to lunch but I hope we could get him as I think he'd be a great fit on our team. Am I way off base here? I ask seriously
14 sep à 21 h 33
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Quoting: Sign_em_up000000
I'm not saying there wouldn't be a market for Hjalmarsson but given his age cap hit n term how much would they get for him? I'm not suggesting they retain because it benefits us we would have to add a pick or two but from there perspective they would be getting most of his money off of the books and would only have to retain for a year. Maybe I'm out to lunch but I hope we could get him as I think he'd be a great fit on our team. Am I way off base here? I ask seriously


It's debatable. His play has certainly declined over the last couple years. But..... I have a very different mindset over most when looking at this Leafs blueline.

1. They don't need a Dumba or a Manson or a Pesce really - not at the cost of one of the big 4. Holl and Dermott have looked good over the last 12 months. They do need someone that can slide into that mix.

2. The right side in Toronto will be a unit by comittee in every sense.

3. They need another Muzzin type guy - a shut down guy. (Granted Pesce fits the bill, but the cost in assets it makes no sense).

4. I beleive the defensive issues also lie in the 3rd and 4th lines ability to defend or drive play. The 4th line with Spezza at centre was absolutely dynamic against the Jackets - and managed to carry offensive play, but it also defended well. That 3rd line was a gong show.

Given my thoughts, Hjarmalsson could work provided other deficiencies are addressed. Otherwise, I think we need to look for someone else.
 
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