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Offseason 2020

Créé par: Campabee
Équipe: 2020-21 Canadiens de Montréal
Date de création initiale: 9 sept. 2020
Publié: 9 sept. 2020
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
just some experimentation with using cap space to acquire some players and picks
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
65 000 000 $
3980 000 $
2850 000 $
2880 000 $
41 750 000 $
Transactions
1.
MTL
  1. Letang, Kris
  2. Poulin, Samuel
  3. Choix de 3e ronde en 2020 (PIT)
Détails additionnels:
There is no denying that Letang is better than Petry but Petry has less cap hit and therefore Poulin and a 3rd is added
2.
MTL
  1. Mitchell, Ian
  2. Nylander, Alexander
  3. Saad, Brandon
  4. Choix de 2e ronde en 2020 (PIT)
  5. Choix de 3e ronde en 2020 (CHI)
Détails additionnels:
Breakdown

Nylander + Mitchell + 2nd for Danault
Saad + 3rd for cap space
3.
MTL
  1. Choix de 3e ronde en 2020 (CGY)
  2. Choix de 4e ronde en 2022 (CHI)
Détails additionnels:
3rd for Byron
4th for Weal
CHI
  1. Byron, Paul
  2. Weal, Jordan
Détails additionnels:
Any team
Enfoui
Repêchage1e ronde2e ronde3e ronde4e ronde5e ronde6e ronde7e ronde
2020
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2021
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2022
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2381 500 000 $74 770 476 $0 $4 837 500 $6 729 524 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
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4 800 000 $4 800 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
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863 333 $863 333 $ (Bonis de performance425 000 $$425K)
C
UFA - 2
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5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
AG, AD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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5 500 000 $5 500 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 3
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925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance2 500 000 $$2M)
C
UFA - 1
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
3 750 000 $3 750 000 $
AD, AG
NMC
UFA - 1
Logo de Penguins de Pittsburgh
894 167 $894 167 $
C, AG
RFA - 4
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5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 2
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863 333 $863 333 $ (Bonis de performance850 000 $$850K)
AD, AG
RFA - 1
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
2 400 000 $2 400 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
980 000 $980 000 $
C
UFA - 2
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
2 600 000 $2 600 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
1 750 000 $1 750 000 $
DG/DD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo de Penguins de Pittsburgh
7 250 000 $7 250 000 $
DD
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 2
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
10 500 000 $10 500 000 $
G
NMC
UFA - 6
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
894 167 $894 167 $ (Bonis de performance212 500 $$212K)
DG
RFA - 2
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
7 857 143 $7 857 143 $
DD
UFA - 6
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
4 350 000 $4 350 000 $
G
UFA - 1
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
1 750 000 $1 750 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 1
Logo de Blackhawks de Chicago
925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance850 000 $$850K)
DD
RFA - 3
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
925 000 $925 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 2
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
700 000 $700 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 1
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
743 333 $743 333 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1

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9 sept. 2020 à 14 h 58
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Both trades are bad.
9 sept. 2020 à 14 h 58
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Angry Hawks fans incoming
9 sept. 2020 à 14 h 59
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Why don’t you throw in Dach, DeBrincat, and send us Alzner to make the salary work better?
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9 sept. 2020 à 15 h 1
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Your high if you think he's worth that much.
Why would we trade our best prospect
We do we need another center
9 sept. 2020 à 15 h 13
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Quoting: Beetlejuice
Your high if you think he's worth that much.
Why would we trade our best prospect
We do we need another center


Danault is totally worth a middle 6 roster player + 1st (in this case Mitchell) and a 2nd.

Danault is 5 years younger than Toews but it gives you time to groom Dach into a 1 Center. You have Toews-Danault-Dach as your top centers and you can either move Strome to Wing or trade him for an upgrade in another area. In 5 years Toews will be retired and you will still have Dach and Danault as your top 2 Centers with Danault still having 5ish years so it extends your cup window by 10 years. Simplle math my friend.
9 sept. 2020 à 15 h 25
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As a Pens fan I'd rather keep Letang and his higher cap hit than have to trade away our only bluechip prospect left in the system. It isn't worth the cap savings.
9 sept. 2020 à 15 h 27
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Quoting: Campabee
Danault is totally worth a middle 6 roster player + 1st (in this case Mitchell) and a 2nd.

Danault is 5 years younger than Toews but it gives you time to groom Dach into a 1 Center. You have Toews-Danault-Dach as your top centers and you can either move Strome to Wing or trade him for an upgrade in another area. In 5 years Toews will be retired and you will still have Dach and Danault as your top 2 Centers with Danault still having 5ish years so it extends your cup window by 10 years. Simplle math my friend.


You aren’t going to get anything close to your evaluation because Danault is a rental.

Look at what was given up by Vegas in exchange for Mark Stone WITH an extension... and answer me why you believe Danault is worth significantly more than that without one.
9 sept. 2020 à 15 h 27
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As a Pens fan I'd rather keep Letang and his higher cap hit than have to trade away our only bluechip prospect left in the system. It isn't worth the cap savings.


That's fair, I wasn't sure what the reaction to losing both Letang and Poulin would be. Especially with the only real gain being cap space lol.
9 sept. 2020 à 15 h 34
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Quoting: Stan_Bowman
You aren’t going to get anything close to your evaluation because Danault is a rental.

Look at what was given up by Vegas in exchange for Mark Stone WITH an extension... and answer me why you believe Danault is worth significantly more than that without one.


There are no conditional picks for resigning players therefore you have to evaluate players based on actual value not as rentals.

Because Danault is a way better 2 way player than Stone and Plays a more important position than Stone and is 6 Mil less than Stone and Stone WAS a rental Ottawa signed him to a 1 year 7.35 Mil deal in 2018 and traded him at the 18-19 deadline to Vegas as a RENTAL. Vegas signed the Extension after the trade. Much like what Danault would likely do,
9 sept. 2020 à 15 h 35
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That's fair, I wasn't sure what the reaction to losing both Letang and Poulin would be. Especially with the only real gain being cap space lol.


And for basically for just 1 season. He will get 8mill after next season if he hits the open market.
9 sept. 2020 à 15 h 45
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And for basically for just 1 season. He will get 8mill after next season if he hits the open market.


I honestly don't think Petry will get north of 7 Mil but who knows for sure lol.
9 sept. 2020 à 15 h 51
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Quoting: Stan_Bowman
You aren’t going to get anything close to your evaluation because Danault is a rental.

Look at what was given up by Vegas in exchange for Mark Stone WITH an extension... and answer me why you believe Danault is worth significantly more than that without one.


Stone was traded without an extension! Vegas didn't sign an extension with Stone until March 8th 2019 which was 2 weeks after the trade which happened on February 25th 2019. So Yes Danault as a top 10 2 way center in the NHL easily gets the above package without an extension. Stone is a winger Danault is a Center positionally alone Danault is worth more than Stone!

Stone + Lindberg for Lindberg + Brannstrom + 2020 2nd

Danault for Mitchell + Nylander + 2nd

Danault > Stone
therefore
O Lindberg < Nylander
Brannstrom= Mitchell
2nd = 2nd

is fair
9 sept. 2020 à 16 h 18
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You aren’t going to get anything close to your evaluation because Danault is a rental.

Look at what was given up by Vegas in exchange for Mark Stone WITH an extension... and answer me why you believe Danault is worth significantly more than that without one.


Here is a breakdown of Why Danault is better than Stone just for your knowledge.

Danault picked up the bulk of Montreal's faceoff work, taking 1,336 draws - tops on the Habs and sixth-most in the NHL. He won 54.5% of them, second on the team behind Nate Thompson, including 66.3% on the power play and 57.1% in the offensive zone. The 6-foot-1, 207-pounder was far and away the abs' plus-minus leader, posting a plus-18 differential on the season, and his 18:51 of ice time per game was second among forwards behind Ilya Kovalchuk. Ever the two-way player, Danault led all Montreal attackers with 2:31 of shorthanded action per game, and was also deployed for an average of 1:34 per contest with the man advantage. The 27-year-old scored the first goal of the game five times in 2019-20, tied with Gallagher for most on the Habs. He also finished third among Canadiens forwards in hits (119) and blocked shots (34) and was fourth in takeaways (34).


Link below to the full breakdown

https://www.nhl.com/canadiens/news/season-recap-phillip-danault/c-318954272
9 sept. 2020 à 16 h 40
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Chicago was rumored to have been offered a 1st and a top prospect this deadline for Saad but turned it down. So if Danault is "totally worth a middle 6 roster player + 1st (in this case Mitchell) and a 2nd." and Saad is worth a 1st and a top prospect the trade should be Saad (1st and 2nd) + Nylander (middle six player) for Danault basically (Based on the value of Saad and what you think Danault gets). If the trade is Saad + Nylander the Habs have no reason to do it IMO but that is what a fair trade is based on this "simple math" that you like to use my friend. Also, no chance you will get Mitchell. Untouchable.

You can argue all you want that Danault is better than Stone by the analytics and position but hockey is more than just those numbers. People who use analytics think their opinion is better just because they have the numbers. Hockey is so much more than that and the eye test is still 100% valuable. I will take Stone over Danault 8 times outta 10.

Edit: Also how are you going to link an article that only shows Danault's stats. Stone had more takeaways, less giveaways, more blocks and more points.

https://evolving-hockey.com/?_inputs_&std_sk_range=%22Seasons%22&std_sk_pos=%22All%22&std_sk_str=%22All%22&std_sk_age1=%2217%22&std_sk_season=%2220192020%22&dir=%22Skater%20Tables%22&std_sk_dft_yr=%22All%22&std_sk_table=%22Box%20Score%22&std_sk_adj=%22No%20Adjustment%22&std_sk_info=%22No%22&std_sk_span=%22Regular%22&std_sk_group=%22Team%2C%20Season%22&std_sk_type=%22Totals%22&std_sk_toi=%2250%22&std_sk_age2=%2250%22&std_sk_team=%22All%22&std_sk_players=%5B%22Phillip%20Danault%22%2C%22Mark%20Stone%22%5D
9 sept. 2020 à 16 h 49
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Ah yes, Chicago spends precious cap space on a 4th top 6 center, and gives up a good player, prospect, and pick to do it. What’s not to love?
9 sept. 2020 à 16 h 58
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I just hurt myself LOL at that Pens trade.

Now thats some funny stuff
 
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