Pick another team to dump Roussel's contract.
we would have a little over 4 million to sign guys like Kubs, Strome, and Crow, so Idk the Hawks would do this.

overpay for Domi

He isn't getting traded for two disappointing prospects/players and a 3rd. So maybe you think that's an "overpayment", but Montreal wouldn't accept it.

Oh crap your about to get Byram is worth Hughes + Petterson ++++ from Avs fans

No way in hell COL trades Byram as part of that package. Not on any planet does COL trade both Byram and Timmins.

No way VAN considers the deal without the main piece coming back being Byram. Not saying Rathbone is as good a prospect as Timmins but they are getting a good top 4 offensive D prospect in return.
Could be willing to tweak if Byram was centre piece coming back, but as I said in the description the deal is probably not happening because Bryam is a piece that is probably pretty close to being untouchable.

I personally like reading the comments of the bold moves, rather see them than the same ones being recycled over and over.
I agree with you comment!

I thought the value was a bit on the low side as well. Was surprised to see Habs fans in support of similar deals recently posted.
I’d be willing to swap the prospect, or up the 3rd to a second.

As stated in the description, the dumps can be to any teams.

Is this a joke? Domi had eight more points than Virtanen in two more games this year and Virtanen is a year younger. Virtanen basically matched his production with three less minutes a game and in a more defensive role. Not a fan of either team and I think a one for one is pretty close to fair value

yea but why use the Hawks, use teams that have cap space

Why get offended? If there was an “Any Team” option (which would be a nice feature by the way) I would have used it. In the description it says “Dumps can be to any team”, implying I wasn't specifically targeting CHI for the trade...

I know Benn only makes a couple million and the Wings have cap space but you'll have to pay someone to take him, Hawks aren't the team to try to dump Roussel to and idk if a 3rd is enough incentive for someone to take him, doubt that gets Domi either.

Yeah but you get Beoser and Demko who has starter potential so that is a good move cause you get your starter of the future.

Byram is untouchable. Top pairing d on an elc. He along with MacK, Makar, Rantanen are the truly untouchables on their roster.

Where as we can just get a FA goal tender and not pay a thing. Easy no.

He’s not a top pairing D right now, might be as the season progresses but he hasn't played a single NHL game. Top D prospects don’t always jump in and dominate right away. Seth Jones is a good example of a guy that took a few years to gain experience and improve and I would argue he was more highly touted than Bryam. Byram very well could be untouchable though.
Colorado has a bright future for sure, great core and fun to watch!

I disagree with the Been comment. He’s a serviceable bottom pair D that can play either side, on not a bad contract. He can likely be flipped at the deadline for a 4-5 pick. Been lots of similar trades posted and most comments seem to be favourable to the idea. I would be open to adding a 5-6 round pick to get this deal done though.

Regarding CHI and Roussel, please see description and previous comments above. I think it’s a fair point though that a 3rd may not be enough, may have to be upped to a second.

The Domi trade analysts is a fair one. I also thought the value was a bit in the light side, was basing it on previous similar posts that seemed to have fairly positive reactions from Habs fan. I would be open to upping the pick to a second or swapping the prospect.

Demko likely won’t get the same money as some of the FA, and IF he’s ready for a full time starter position he’s good for the next 6 plus years, which would be good for a team only going to get better.
This is why I like proposing bold moves, lots of good opinions/discussion. I appreciate the interesting dialogue!

I should have added how I broke down this trade to my earlier reply, or even in my description. I’m definitely interested in your thoughts regarding the fairness of value of this trade, even if the trade itself is unlikely to ever get done or doesn’t work for one of the teams.

My value breakdown:

Timmins and Rathbone are both 21 years old with top 4 projection. I give an edge to Timmins however as he is a RD (harder to find) and has a year in the AHL already under his belt (more experienced). I should also mention I have never seen Timmins or Rathbone play (as I doubt many others here have based on 2 NHL games played), so the value could be off here. This breakdown was based on reading articles and listening to way to much Vancouver sports talk radio, well my wife says it’s to much anyways...

In my opinion Demko definitely holds more value than Jost. Projected as a goalie of the future, in my opinion he’s a 1B to start next season but could very well be a solid #1 by seasons end. He’s proven he can play in high pressure games which is a huge positive for goalies and especially for COL as they should be contenders for years to come. In my opinion this more than balances the Timmins for Rathbone part of this trade and tilts the value in COL’s favour.

Boeser for Byram is definitely the interesting and risky part of this deal for both teams, but it’s the piece needed to bring it all together. Boeser is a young established 1st line winger with potential 40 goal upside, should at worst be a regular 30+ goal guy. Byram is unestablished but projected to be a top pair D with #1 upside, he is a valuable and hard to find piece. As stated in a later post, highly regarded D men can take awhile to establish themselves. Seth Jones is a good example of a very highly rated prospect that took a couple of years to establish himself.
With the trade being tilted in COL favour up to this point I feel this part of the trade brings it all together value wise.

It’s a BOLD trade which is why I proposed it, it makes for interesting conversation!

Your thoughts on value?

Virtanen posts a career year, Domi has down to average season, so now because they were "close" in points, they are supposed to be close in value? Get real. I'm not one of those guys who is going to point to Domi's 72 pts season thinking that it's his value (that season is definitely looking like the outlier), but Domi, making a fair assessment, is still a 50pts, give or take, top 6 forward, whereas Virtanen has never sniffed 40 pts yet.
There's nothing here for MTL to even consider.

I know this post was directed towards another posters comment, but it’s late and I don’t have much else to do this evening.

I agree that Domi is probably worth more than what was proposed (based it off similar value posts), but to say Virtanen hasn't sniffed 40pts is a stretch. He was on pace for 21 goals and 42 points this season before the season was cut short. He has also has improved statistically every season.
I agree with you that Domi is realistically a 50pt guy most years.
I don’t think the value is that far off.

It's not though.... this is recency bias at it's finest. The main point I'm trying to make is that Virtanen had a career season. If you want to evaluate Virtanen at his finest, by all means, I'll do the same with Domi and say he's a 72pts Center... It doesn't work that way, and if we're pro-rating this past season, Domi still would've had a 20g 50pts season on a "down" / average season... which is still better than what Virtanen can do at his current best..

Domi gets a lot of flack on here because so many Habs fans want to try their own take on the rumors swirling about him in the media. So they've been essentially force feeding Domi to every other fan base to the point where I've see people on here write that they wouldn't even trade a 2nd rd pick for him....

Habs won't sell low on Domi. Again, I'm not one of those guys who thinks Domi can get a huge haul and whatnot. But this deal is selling low on him.

If Bergevin indeed decides to move him, it won't be to downgrade him with Virtanen just to take a shot on a prospect who's having trouble cracking the NHL.

Yes, Virtanen did have a career year, but as you have implied you have to look at the whole picture. Virtanen’s overall trajectory has been going up every year since his first season. Domi has been all over the board, and minus the one 72 point season, he has been quite consistent in the 40-50 point range (only once has he hit 50pts and it was 52). As a result I don’t think statistically speaking the two are that far off.
With that said I definitely believe Domi is the best piece being moved in this trade, and I agree with you that it would likely cost more than what was originally proposed. I don’t think it would cost a huge amount more but we can definitely agree to disagree.
I appreciate your opinion and the interesting back and forth!

Fair enough, agree to disagree. 100% you have to look at the whole picture, but saying there's consistent growth with Virtanen when its been 13pts to being demoted almost a full season to 20pts to 25pts to finally achieving 36pts isn't saying much. Then saying Domi for being "all over the board" when he's just had early success (52pts to 38pts *in 59 games* to 45pts to 72pts to 44pts). Again I really can't see how its close.
Anyways using Virtanen as a centerpiece to acquire Domi doesn't accomplish anything for the Habs, even if you throw in more quantity like a 2nd or something similar.
Thanks for the late chat! (it's really late here on the east coast lol)